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Drew Howard
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Posted 28 May 2014 7:19 am |
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Since the low B (10) on my guitar is used the least out of all the strings, I've been experimenting with:
Tuning the B down to A or beyond.
Wrenching out the B raise so it's static
Perhaps re-stringing it for a low E.
My dobro is tuned DBDGBD for kind of the same reason, gets me a fat V chord.
Anyone else?
Last edited by Drew Howard on 28 May 2014 11:31 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Jamie Mitchell
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 28 May 2014 8:00 am
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I took off the D, moved the B over to that string position, and threw a low E on the bottom. At this point, I wouldn't go back. I don't yet have a way to get the D back with a lever, but I'm working on it. Having that E on the bottom has opened up a number of things for me...
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 28 May 2014 8:22 am
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If a gig requires a lot of rhythm playing, I sometimes tune the 10th string to A and adjust the fine tuning on the "A" and "C" pedals. My "C" pedal includes a full step lower on the 10th string, which gives me a G note if the string is tuned to A.
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Ron Kassof
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Las Vegas, NV, USA
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Posted 28 May 2014 8:32 am
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| Lower E's with lever and slant string 8 down one fret for the D note. |
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Larry Allen
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Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 28 May 2014 9:31 am E9
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Drew, here's my solution, 10 string Ext E9... Larry 
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 28 May 2014 10:48 am
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Larry....I've seen your chart before, I think it is a great concept...but please explain how you are using the half stop on the e lowers?
Are you splitting them with the f-lever?
??? I couldn't live with a soft half stop on the e lowers, but....man...that approach could open up some space on my u12... |
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Larry Allen
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Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 28 May 2014 2:05 pm Ext E9
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Tom, my RKL has a 1/2 stop to lower from E-Eb-D...I used Sho-Bud stops for years and now use Wolf's Real-Stop...great for running a decending bass line, then I switch to RKR to continue down with C#-C-B.....lots of combinations...Larry
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 31 May 2014 11:02 am
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| Thanks Larry. I'm going to try that out soon, it makes all kinds of sense if the half stop is solid... |
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Larry Allen
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Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 31 May 2014 12:47 pm E9
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Tom, for years I used the Sho-Bud 1/2 stop off the RKR for string 2..I had to tighten the spring some, then went to Ace hardware and got a variety of springs and made several more, after getting Wolf's Real Stop it is easy to get exactly the correct amount of resistance. I got Wolf's from WBS steel guitars in Germany from our forum link. Good luck, on most of. My guitars I was able to pull 4&8 down a whole step without any serious mods...Larry 
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Paul Redmond
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 1:29 am
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Delete the 9th string D, move the B into its place, and add a G# in the 10th position. Raise it to A along with 3 and 6. In other words, E9/B6 Uni without the two bass strings. The B is then raised to D on a KL as on a Uni tuning. It allows you to take full advantage of the A6th side of the E9th tuning without having to stumble over that worthless D string all the time.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 1:33 am
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Wow! - brace yourself for reaction to "worthless". (Although I've sometimes thought of doing the same thing.)
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Paul Redmond
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 1:51 am
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I used the word "worthless" because it always stirs up the waters a bit. We all know it isn't worthless, but it certainly does get in the way a lot once you've played a Universal guitar. Jeff Newman once told me that I'd never miss that string. Al Petty and Roy Thomas told me the same thing. They were all right. Having the B to D raise on a KL is IMO far more useful than having it in the tuning itself and getting in the way when you want to thumb-rake a fat 6th chord. I hate when that happens!!! I've been playing Uni since 1985, so I'm just more than a bit prejudice and set in my ways. I'll never go back to a stock Nashville E9th tuning again. Too much to be had with the "short Uni" tuning to give it up for the sake of a D string.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 2:16 am
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I started on a D10 and I'm still very much a beginner, but I'm in the process of building a universal which will have the B to D raise and also P6 on a lever, so I'm looking forward to not missing that string if you know what I mean
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 5:25 pm
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| Lots of workarounds for the 'missing' D string...not so many workarounds for missing the low G# and low E with B6th work...the full 12 string uni is a more versatile instrument than the shorted uni 10... |
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Paul Redmond
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 5:43 pm
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Indeed!!! but it has four more pedals, rods, shafts, etc., and weighs about 20 pounds more. I played a S-12 Uni for a long time before scaling down to a 10-string setup. My guitar with 3 FP and 7 KL's weighs only 22 pounds on the floor. The S-12 is more than double that.
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 6:13 pm
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| My s12 came as a 5x7, but I currently run it as a 5x5. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 7:03 pm
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I use the 10th string B often. I would never want to lose it.
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Greg Milton
From:
Benalla, Australia
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 11:35 pm
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Hi Paul,
I was just wondering what gauge string you use for the low G#?
And do you have any other changes on the low B and G#?
Greg
PS: I just recently got rid of any string tuned to D or any change to D on my 10 string E9, happy to get it elsewhere. Instead of the B - D change I go up a fret and engage my A pedal with my E - Eb and G# - G knee levers. If I want a E - D voicing I go down a fret and engage my A and B pedals with my E - Eb and B - Bb knee levers - works well for me, and sounds nice travelling smoothly between the two! |
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Paul Redmond
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 11:45 pm
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Greg - I use a .042" wound for my low G# (10th string). The only change besides pulling the usual B to C# on #9 is that on my all-pull guitars, I split the C# raises back to C. On my raise-predominant guitars, I have a KL which pulls both B's only to C. That pull BTW is quicker and easier to use than splitting back the C# raises. I'm about to start converting my all-pull guitars!!! I call that pull the "Bob Carden" change as he taught that pull to me in the late 1970's.
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Greg Milton
From:
Benalla, Australia
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Posted 12 Jun 2014 1:14 am
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| Thanks Paul - I'll give it a try! |
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