Franklin Pull

Mark Kelchen · From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA

Anyone got any neat ideas on how to use the Franklin Pull?

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Which "Franklin pull"?

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Mark Kelchen · From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA

This pull lowers 5,6 and 10.

Bob Knight · From: Bowling Green KY

Bob Knight · From: Bowling Green KY

Mark,
Buddy Emmons, I and a few dozen other steel player have used this or a variation of this change since the early 60s. Why do you refer to it as the "Franklin pull" There are very few changes on the E9th tuning or others that "The Big E" hasn't experimented with and/or perfected in the past 40 ++ years. Paul is a great and recognized player , but the changes he utilizes are NOT all that intovative. I realize you and a large percentage of the forum members are from the "new school", but do not discount Buddy, Jimmy, Mooney, Crawford, Charleton, Garrett, etal: as the inventors and perfectors of the E9th tuning and it's variations even as we think we know it today.

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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Bob K. - I don't think Mark was commenting on who invented this change. It has become known as the Paul Franklin P4 change though.

Mark, if you do a search, you will find this topic has been covered several times. I imagine you could get good results by just typing in P4. I believe Paul actually contributed to some of the threads on this subject.

Good Luck

Rick Johnson · From: Wheelwright, Ky USA

Bob
Your comments were right on target.

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Mark Kelchen · From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA

Thanks Richard. There is quite a bit of discussion on this pull under P4. Bob K, I can only assume the the Big E has incorporated changes that no one else has even imagined yet! New School? How about no school other than that of trial and error. Reading things on this forum and attempting to apply them. Folks here are very helpful on nearly anything us youngsters are curious about. Bob K, I wonder if folks would know what I'm talking about if it were refered to as the Emmons Pull?

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Buddy Emmons · From: Hermitage, TN USA * R.I.P.

b0b would have asked, "Which Emmons pull?"

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Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

Funny, Buddy!

I think that the combination of those 3 pulls (pushes?) on the 4th pedal is commonly called the "PF pedal 4" because Paul has been using it so much on hit records. Its use has been discussed in several Forum topics. Use the search function at the top of the page to find them.

I asked "which Franklin pull" because the question wasn't at all clear. Some people wrongly attribute the F# double raise to Paul Franklin. In fact, there are few if any new pulls to be found on the standard tunings.

But it still leaves us with a naming problem. We can't just call it "P4" because people can put anything on their 4th pedal. But there's no denying that, in recent years, it has become the most popular 4th pedal addition. It's practically standard among manufacturers now.

We have pedals 'A' 'B' and 'C', knees 'D' 'E' 'F' and 'G' - can we call this pedal 'H'? Just a thought...

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Mark Kelchen · From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA

Am I to imply that it's use would therefore be limited on an ofset left,left lever?

Chuck McGill · From: An hour from Memphis and 2 from Nashville, R.I.P.

Does it mean I hired a guy to tow my truck
home for a hundred dollars?

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Dennis Detweiler · From: Solon, Iowa, US

All this talk of pulling, pushing and changing is putting me in the mood!

Franklin · Posted 17 Dec 2003 11:16 pm

I suppose these pulls are attributed to me because in the nineties I played these changes on several hit records. After that exposure, both of those changes took off. Was I the first? Dunno? I certainly discovered their beauty in the same time frame as others did in the 60's. I started playing steel in 62.

The formulas for all pedal changes follow basic interval displacement. Those rules of harmonic theory were created and perfected centuries ago. Because the formulas of harmonic theory dictates what strings need to move and in what direction I don't believe anyone can claim the creation of a pedal change. They can be the first to do something on a pedal steel and that's it.

I thank Wanda, my hawaiin teacher, for stressing the importance of music theory to me.

I refer to all pedals by their musicality when asked by another musician.

pA = 6 minor pB = sus pC = 6th/9th
p4 = 2 minor etc.

Paul

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Franklin · Posted 18 Dec 2003 12:37 am

I should add that by the time I started going to DJ conventions in the later 60's, I witnessed several players experimenting raising the F# while pulling the string behind the bar. Neil Flanz and Gene O'neil are two that come to mind and they were extremely good at it..I had been doing the same thing after seeing Kayton play.

Paul

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Mark Kelchen · From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA

Thanks Mr.Franklin. Theory IS of the utmost importance. I'm just trying to figure out a good place to use this change. I guess no matter where it is located, with enough practice it can be used effectively. Thanks for your help, one and all. Mark

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

To me it always seems a great ending to the I.

And also I found it was very usefull in a blues tune I would never have expected it to fit.

If your asking for the "Emmons Pull",
I suspect you must specify :
What year
What guitar
Which month
and often which specific recording on a given day.

And so far it seems Big E can actually remember and tell you!
Buddy, you da man!

Franklin · Posted 18 Dec 2003 4:42 am

I'm sorry, nobody answered your question.....I suggest checking out my copedant and Tommy Whites. Checking out various pedal copedants may open the right door for you if you are searching for placement.



       Pick the first 8 and 6 only.





4___8(P4)___8____6(L1/2)__6(L)___6(L)____


5___8(P4)___8____6(A)_____6______6(P4)___


6___8(P4)___8____6(B)_____6______6(P4)___

This is an example going from a bar of F to F7th. Fret 8 can also be a Dmin7 or C chord. Both resolve to F

Paul

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Mark Kelchen · From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA

Thanks Paul. I appreciate the info. Mark

Gary Preston · From: Columbus, Ohio, USA

Hi Paul . I have this change on my new guitar . And i'm not trying to downplay any of the great players that have used combinations like this but the first time that i ever heard of it was tied to Paul Franklin . I would love to be able to buy every good lick that everybody uses with this change because it is new to me . I do'nt care who calls it theirs ( if anybody does ). I can use it and it does'nt matter to me . All you guys keep on creating new stuff for us ''dummys'' that try to copy . ( very badly i might add). I love some of these topics, but lets be nice to each other ,it is the christmas season you know . How bout that R.J. ole buddy.
Regards,,Gary.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

While it may be true that Buddy lowered 5, 6 and 10 a whole tone before Paul began to utilize it on a number of relatively recent records.

However, I did not know about it til Paul did it. And I would suspect that most players feel similarly. So I would have to say and continue to say the PF pedal. Just as I feel comfortable saying that Buddy split Bud Isaac's lone pedal into A and B. Then after Buddy told Jimmy Day about it, Jimmy split it into B and A.

I feel confident that Buddy was the first to lower 6 a whole tone on a recording. However I am not sure Buddy ever lowered all 3 strings a whole tone that was mentioned above.

If any of this is incorrect, I respectfully stand corrected.

carl

Gino Iorfida · From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA

In regards to the tab you posted, Paul,
I notice you have string 4 being lowered with the p4? or am I reading this wrong? also it looks as if you are lowering the 4th 1/2 and 1 fullstep? again, I could be reading this wrong, so any explanation would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!

Bobby Boggs · From: Upstate SC.

Gino. I'm not Paul for sure.But till he gets here.He's mixing the 4th string 1/2 tone lower knee lever with the 4th pedal.Same is true for the 1st string whole tone raise.Hope this helps.............bb

Frank Parish · From: Nashville,Tn. USA

What tune or tunes used this change (lower the 5, 6, and or 10 strings a whole tone) before the 90's and by whom? I may have heard the 6th whole tone lower (or the 7th string whole tone raise) somewhere but I think I missed hearing both the 5th and 6th string whole tone lowers used at the same time.

Franklin · Posted 25 Dec 2003 8:14 am

Thanks Bobby for clarifying my tab. The beauty of this P4's use happens in conjunction with other pedals and levers. Listen to Tommy White each Saturday for great examples....Paul

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