Milkman delivery

Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

This past Saturday my new Milkman Creamer amp was delivered. I play both guitar and pedal steel and was hoping to use it for both, although my most urgent need was a guitar amp. It is by far the best guitar AND steel amp I have ever played! I am a little concerned there may not be enough headroom for pedal steel in larger rooms but the tone I am getting at home is something I would like to be able to duplicate in a live venue. If it doesn't work out that I can use it stage for psg I know I will be saving up to buy another of Tim's amps geared specifically toward pedal steel application.
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Josh Rossow · From: Mchenry, Illinois

Garry, congrats on the new Milkman. I bet it sounds killer.

Garry Pugh · From: Nashville Indiana

Thanks Josh, it really is great sounding amp.
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Josh Yenne · From: Sonoma California

In the bigger rooms it seems as if you'd have PA support right? Just mic that sucker and love the tone. 20 watts is definitely enough to get over most drummers , and if its not time to find a new drummer!

Very Happy

Breath in the "crunch" and thank the stars you aren't playing a sterile solid state amp with nasty non-tube midrange.

Some of our favorite pedal steel recordings were done with a Deluxe turned up to 8...

congrats on the amp!

chris ivey · From: california (deceased)

Josh Yenne · From: Sonoma California

Well thats your opinion Chris... but I totally disagree.... I guess if you really don't like crunch then a Deluxe won't work for you unless you have good sound reinforcement.

"would much prefer a nice ss amp that allows the steel to perform properly. sort of sounds like someone trying to state a "truth" but its just an opinion.

I really don't like the sound of Solid State but thats just me.... harsh, lifeless, and too clean to my ears. But I love those old steel players and and they were crunching all over the place.

With proper sound reinforcement you can use any amp I guess.. I'm played 1000 person halls with 12 tube watts... but nice monitors. I understand that non reinforced shows you might want more power but if I show up to something and it is a deluxe back lined I'm always OK with it. (at least its not a peavy!)

And I've heard quite a few steel shows with a deluxe and I thought it sounded spectacular. But different strokes I guess... I thinks those Peaveys sound like S^*T.

Very Happy

Ian Worley · From: Sacramento, CA

Josh Yenne · From: Sonoma California

nice link thanks!

Imagine how good he would have sounded out of a great amp!

Laughing

Jon Light (deceased) · From: Saugerties, NY

Lloyd Green, You Ain't Going Nowhere, Sweetheart of the Rodeo------Deluxe Reverb (on 8? no idea).

However, me on an outdoor platform with very poor stage monitors and my Deluxe Reverb turned up high enough to hear myself? Not so good.

Me thru my Milkman Creamer (w/ 15" Telonics) at home only (so far)-----oooh yeah.

I don't hate SS at all. Different flavor.

Mike Bagwell · From: Greenville, SC, USA

Sage advice from Chris and John. Josh, would you post some live audio of your crunch tone, some kicking C6 playing with a full band would be nice.

Mike

Josh Yenne · From: Sonoma California

nope Mike.. don't really play C6... sorry if my opinion somehow offended you.

Steve Spitz · From: New Orleans, LA, USA

I suspect not all deluxes are set up the same. I have a blackface deluxe reverb. It doesn't cut it. I'd LOVE it if somehow it had that sought after tone with a bit of grit when pushed. I truly believe the folks that say there is some magic in there, I must be a proper setup job away from it. Sorry to drift from the topic, I'll start another thread.

Mike Bagwell · From: Greenville, SC, USA

What makes you think Im offended?
I want to learn how to do use my Deluxe Reverb in the way you describe. I mention C6 because its more demanding range, but some driving E9 (Buck Owens type stuff) would also work as an example. Mine just farts out on the low end and pretty much mushy all over when playing in a noisy club environment. If you're just playing some ambient back ground stuff on top E9 strings, I could see how it could sort of work.

Mike

Bob Hoffnar · From: Austin, Tx

In my opinion a big part of music is how it sounds so I use Milkman amps. A nice thing about the lower wattage Milkman amps is that it is more easy to dial in the sweet spot. Once you find that perfect level for response and tone just use the PA and monitors to get it in the room and your ears. If you have only been using standard non tube "steel amps" then play with an old Deluxe Reverb and find out what a sweet spot is. A warning though, once you do it is hard to go back.

I usually use the big Milkman amp because bands play absurdly loud on stage around Texas and there is no time to screw around with monitors in the throw and go bar gig scene. I have been pushing my Milkman 85 watt amp pretty hard at dance gigs lately and it sounds freakin awesome.

Mike, your deluxe should sound fantastic for C6 as long as you keep it at the right volume. That unfortunately is not always possible for most club gigs. If you are playing 500 seat and above concerts they have all that monitor/PA stuff worked out.

Gary, Congrats on the creamer ! I remember the first time I played through one of Tim's amps. I was astonished. Now I get to feel like a kid at Christmas every time I fire it up and get to play another gig.
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Mike Bagwell · From: Greenville, SC, USA

Hi Bob,

When I use a stage monitor with my steel in the mix in close proximity to my stage amp I sometimes get some weird phase cancellations (like a 2 speaker amp with the wires crossed on one speaker). A engineer friend of mine told me some mics and PA's invert the signal. Have you experienced this ?.

Mike

Bob Hoffnar · From: Austin, Tx

I have not experienced that. If I understand the issue I would think it may be a very easy fix. Reorient the amp so it doesn't face the monitor directly. I tend to not use monitors and just put my amp up on something close to my head if needed.
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Steve Lipsey · From: Portland, Oregon, USA

Mike- If "in close proximity" also means that the amp is now to your side, not behind you, I found that open back amps will phase cancel by themselves if you are getting sound from both front and back of the amp....which happens if it is on the side of you....

Result was that I played twice as loud as I should have, due to trying to sound like it did when behind me....
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Mike Bagwell · From: Greenville, SC, USA

Yes Steve I've lived thru that before. I initially thought everyone else was nuts when they told me I was playing to loud Smile

, screws with the low end too.
In the last few years I've played a bunch of acoustic type shows without a drummer and my non miced Deluxe or Gibson Explorer amp will do the job with my lap steel, but even in in these circumstances my pedal steel will just wipe these small amps out when played aggressively.
I have a 59 Twin,66 Twin reverb ,Standel 100Ul and a slew of solid state amps that I wind up using for pedal steel. I just put the amp behind with or without drums, turn up and play.
In my experience using a full range stage monitor with a HF tweeter that's been EQ'd for vocals ( its not flat) to hear my steel is not ideal.

Mike

Daryl Thisdelle · From: New Brunswick, Canada

I think many people get the wrong impression on solid state versus tubes. I think if you take a solid state amplifier and a good quality one and not one some manufacture has slapped together and has the right options on it you can get that tube sound you are after. Ya got to compare apples to apples. So many people have the preconceived notion that solid state does not have tone. That preconceived notion is just that. A case in point, one of the most sought after recording boards is and still is, the API, made in america, solid state. Guess what is is highly sought after for, rock sounds, which in no way is a sterile sounding venue. I have the Stereo Steel and when you know what you are doing you with it you can dial in that warm sound. It's version of the warm sound. I am not saying that people in here do not know what they are talking about. But if one of the most sought after recording boards in the U S A for rock is a Solid State Recording Board, then where does the sterile sound come from. Its the apples to apple thing again...Take a top notch solid state amp then do a comparison. We all have our own likes and dislikes. Myself I love to have my steel sound clean. Sterile, not at all, its all what ya do with the set up. Turn on a tube amp and ya get it right out of the box, solid state ya got to do some tweeking to get that sound. I have heard some really bad sounding tube amps over time.
Daryl
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Daryl, to compare apples to apples, my 65 RI Twin can be said to be a commodity amp, analogous to Peavey. And it sounds noticeably better than ANY of my 3 Peaveys.
Your Walker (or a Webb, perhaps) presumably make a fit comparison to the Milkman.
(Apologies for continuing the drift)
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Matt Bush · From: Portland, OR

Nice, congrats!!!

I'm really interested in both a Creamer and the big pedal steel amp.

Tom Quinn · Posted 24 Sep 2014 1:26 pm

I have a first-year Session 400 -- bought one year old -- whose four ohm JBL speaker disappeared years ago. As long as I've played it, it's had an 8 ohm Lansing bass 15" bass speaker. It is by no means "souless." I cannot imagine a pedal steel through a Fender DR.
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Philip Mitrakos · From: The Beach South East Florida

I don't care much for apple's...but tubes taste pretty good to me ...

chris ivey · From: california (deceased)

on the cover of 'minors aloud' emmons appears to be playing through a peavey, and on 'one for the road'...and all the live recordings he made at the steel convention...
that stuff sounds pretty good to me. no nasty midrange honk that i can hear.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Chris, I WOULD say that a good Twin beats a Session 400 (which beats about any other Peavey.
But a Milkman beats a good Twin.
I've played through them. Well, one of them. It's a winner.
Which is not a knock on Peavey. I have three. And I'd sooner sell my least Fender (I have 3) than either my LTD or 500.
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