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Topic: Emmons Wraparound info req`d please |
John Davis
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Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 29 May 2014 3:52 am |
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I have recently aquired this guitar which I think is 1966 from looking at previous posts the serial no. is 1055D What I would like to know is would this guitar have started out as a D10 as it has the cut outs needed
for the other neck but does not look as if its ever been fitted though the holes in the skirt are there to fit cross shafts? Guitar is in semi derelict condition and could do with a Tommy Cass makeover....
Also what would be my chances of getting hold of a P/pull changer for the back neck?[img]
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John Davis
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Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 29 May 2014 3:55 am
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This is interesting, never seen an Emmons in a Red case before ......[img]
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Jack Stanton
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Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey
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Posted 29 May 2014 5:06 am
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John,
I believe what you have there is a bolt on, not a wrap around.
Early Emmons guitars came in those red, and some times blue/green chipboard cases. They were lightweight, but not very sturdy as yours attests.
If you find a source for push pull changers, let me know, but one way to go is to contact Promat. Their parts are metric as opposed to SAE but I'd do that in a heartbeat to get that baby back in shape.
Keep in mind that the finger length is different on C6th & E9th changers.
Good luck and let us see it when you get if finished. |
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John Davis
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Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 29 May 2014 5:08 am
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 First info I have been given is its a "Bolt on" so not what I thought..... But, I still love it!! spose there is no chance of aquiring a Bolt on C6th changer mech?  |
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John Davis
From:
Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 29 May 2014 5:16 am
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| Hi Jack, my post went up same time as yours, Tommy had just straightend me out about the Bolt on, shame really as I thought with such an early serial no...... |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 29 May 2014 5:58 am
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John, bolt on is correct and it does appear to have been a D-10 at one time. 1055-D says it was a D-10. I had 1024-D and mine I was told that mine was a 67. Mine was also a bolt on, great sounding guitars.
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Jerry Jones
From:
Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 29 May 2014 6:52 am
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Assuming you could find all the parts for your C6th neck - there are quite a few - You'd have more invested in this guitar than it is worth. I'd just restore it as a nice SD-10. Great guitar!
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 29 May 2014 7:54 am
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i was just going to say what jerry said!
and with everybody crazy about single neck steels these days, there will always be someone willing to take it off your hands. |
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John Davis
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Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 29 May 2014 11:24 am
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This is the best place in the world for information! Well I could not resist I just tore into it and started major refit & clean up..... It was in bits in two hours and now starting to rebuild  Hope to have enough bits left over to build another one!
Its coming on quite well, pics to follow but I am knackered now after being on my feet all day.....
Will have a cup of tea then crack on >>>>>  |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Posted 29 May 2014 12:15 pm
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| Tommy had just straightened me out about the Bolt on, shame really as I thought with such an early serial no...... |
John, a lot of players believe that the bolt-on tone and sustain was the best Emmons ever. I have a '66 S-10 bolt-on and it rings like a bell. Mine is pre-serial number. It has an invoice number.
Keep in mind that the bolt-on does "wraparound", unlike the later cut tail. In other words, there is no split, like in the cut tail. Congrats on finding a great steel guitar! Yeah, I would also leave this an SD-10. Restoring that back neck would cost over $1K, maybe way over, in parts and labor.
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 29 May 2014 7:02 pm
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Great find ! It will be worth the trouble getting it back in shape. If you decide to put a C neck back on it make sure you get the right changer. The front and back neck changers look different underneath the steel to me. You should be able to get the correct parts with a bit of research.
The bolt on D10 I had was not made out of maple. It was some sort of rosewood. You can check the screw holes and see if the saw dust is red. The couple PP's I am familiar with that were made out of rosewood (or some other dark hardwood) were freakin cannons.
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John Davis
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Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 30 May 2014 4:48 am
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Update as last night fin 2-45 am....
Going Back now >>>>
Thats as far as I have got so far...... |
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John Davis
From:
Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 1 Jun 2014 4:02 am
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Update.......
Here tis back together, and added to the stable ....maybe not to the standard Mr Cass would have bought it to but for a first effort I am very pleased with it and it plays fine 
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John Davis
From:
Cambridge, U.K.
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2014 9:02 am
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Looks and sounds like an Emmons should. Great job.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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John Davis
From:
Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 3 Jun 2014 7:08 am
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| Thanks for the kind words Henry, I know its probably not put together as an Emmons Mech would have done it but it works, stays in tune and from what I have heard so far it sounds sweeter and cleaner than my four split tails.... And Emmons mechanics are a bit thin on the ground over here |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2014 7:13 am
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Yes, those bolt ons were one of the best sounding P/P's that were made. I had at one time a D-10 Bolton and wish I would have kept it.
Your refurb looks good as far as I can tell. To make the P/P's play easy, it's all a matter of timing and slack so if yours plays good and it stays in tune, you probably hit the nail on the head.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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