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J. David Carrera
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 11:42 am |
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How heavy is an Emmons S10 push pull?
I've been playing steel for about 6 months. I've got an MSA classic, I like it alot, it's a good guitar, but it's sooo damn heavy and I live on the 2nd floor or an apartment. There's a gorgeous black Emmons for sale locally. I've heard that P/Ps are as good as it gets and I think this is the guitar I want eventually. Ya'll think I should let my MSA go for an Emmons?
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 12:14 pm
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Take the bathroom scale with you when you go look at it.  |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 3:44 pm
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Neither the MSA nor the p/p are lightweights. (I have both.) If your guitar is too heavy, get another case for the legs and pedalboard and divide your load.  IMHO, if you already have a decent guitar, and you've only been playing 6 months, it's kinda silly to be thinking about getting another guitar. |
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David Higginbotham
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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 4:24 pm
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That really depends on whether your MSA is a S-10 or D-10? The two S-10 Emmons PP's I've had weighed considerably less than the MSA S-10 I have now. But my MSA case is heavier than the Emmons' cases. Tone wise...many believe the Emmons is the holy grail of tone and I have to agree that they sound great. But I will say that the Emmons are gone and my MSA classic lacquered body will be the last steel I ever part with! It does have an Emmons pickup in it tho😇
If weight is the only factor you won't notice a great deal of difference. Tone wise it's subjective and many others like myself prefer the MSA tone and they are much easier to work on than a PP. Donny's words are very wise BTW
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Herb Steiner
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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 4:33 pm Re: Emmons Weight
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| J. David Carrera wrote: |
How heavy is an Emmons S10 push pull?
I've been playing steel for about 6 months. I've got an MSA classic, I like it alot, it's a good guitar, but it's sooo damn heavy and I live on the 2nd floor or an apartment. There's a gorgeous black Emmons for sale locally. I've heard that P/Ps are as good as it gets and I think this is the guitar I want eventually. Ya'll think I should let my MSA go for an Emmons?
Cheers |
Depends on the number of knee levers, but with 4 knee levers and 3 pedals, my 1967 Emmons S-10 weighs 57 pounds in the case.
MSA guitars are wonderful and bullet-proof, but they don't sound like an Emmons PP. If it were me, I'd lose the MSA and get the PP.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Les Urban
From:
Crystal Lake Illinois, USA
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 7:34 pm
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| My 1977 Emmons D-10 8X5 pp weighs 68 lbs in the case. |
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Ken Campbell
From:
Ferndale, Montana
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Posted 8 Apr 2014 7:40 pm
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| If you can afford the "Holy Grail".... |
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 8:52 am For comparison purposes ONLY!
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With all of the recent concern about the weights of different guitars that are quite similar in construction........
I submit for comparison purposes ONLY........
that my BIGSBY four=neck weighs in at a whopping 105#
in the case.
When younger, it was of little concern. It was what it was.
Today, it has increased in weight from 105# to most nearly 1,005 lbs., likely due to sitting in a dark closet where my band uniforms and jackets have drastically shrunken in size. It's either that or while the world has been concerned with global warming, earths' GRAVITY has increased dramatically. |
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Rick Schacter
From:
Portland, Or.
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:21 am Re: Emmons Weight
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| J. David Carrera wrote: |
Ya'll think I should let my MSA go for an Emmons?
Cheers |
Yes!
I owned an MSA single 10. It was a nice guitar, the action was very nice, but I prefer the tone of a push pull.
One of the best guitars I've ever played is an Emmons push pull that is now located in Wilsonville, Or. The lucky owner knows who he is.
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:25 am How come..............
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WHY DID YOU ever let it go?
Just curious. |
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Rick Schacter
From:
Portland, Or.
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:47 am Re: How come..............
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WHY DID YOU ever let it go?
Just curious. |
Er...Um...to buy a drum set. 
I still have my Blackjack though.
Rick |
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:49 am Oh No!
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I can see how some steel players migrate over to the banjer, mandolin, harmonica and/or tambourine but
DRUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I jes' cain't believe it. |
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:50 am Oh No!
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I can see how some steel players migrate over to the banjer, mandolin, harmonica and/or tambourine but
DRUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I jes' cain't believe it.  |
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Rick Schacter
From:
Portland, Or.
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 9:52 am Re: Oh No!
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| Ray Montee wrote: |
I can see how some steel players migrate over to the banjer, mandolin, harmonica and/or tambourine but
DRUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I jes' cain't believe it. |
Lol!
I still have my Blackjack though.
Not all is lost.
Rick |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 4:29 pm Re: Emmons Weight
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| Herb Steiner wrote: |
MSA guitars are wonderful and bullet-proof, but they don't sound like an Emmons PP. If it were me, I'd lose the MSA and get the PP. |
I might suggest that too, Herb, if he'd been playing as long as you!  But the fact is that at 6 months, an Anapeg, an Emmons, an MSA, a Franklin, and and a Carter Starter are gonna all sound pretty much the same. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 9 Apr 2014 5:45 pm
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True, Donny. I must admit that I speak from the pulpit of experience and may be leading Mr. Carerra to tamper with untempered mortar. Point well made.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 12:09 am
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Rick Schacter
From:
Portland, Or.
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 9:00 am Re: Emmons Weight
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
But the fact is that at 6 months, an Anapeg, an Emmons, an MSA, a Franklin, and and a Carter Starter are gonna all sound pretty much the same. |
I have to respectfully disagree here.
You don't need to even play 6 months in order to tell the difference between a Carter Starter and a nice Emmons.
I had a Carter Starter and it was fine for learning my way around an E9 neck, but once I got my Blackjack, it was a night and day difference.
As I mentioned, the MSA that I had was a nice guitar too. Much better than the Carter Starter by a long shot, but it was no Emmons.
If Mr. Carrera can get that Emmons, he should grab it. It would be a guitar that he'll never out grow.
There's my two cents.
Rick |
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 9:57 am
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| Not just nice, flutes are away lighter to carry. |
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Ben Greene
From:
San Antonio, Tx.
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Posted 10 Apr 2014 10:12 pm
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| Dave Grafe wrote: |
| Flutes are nice. |
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'80 Emmons P/P D10, '75 Emmons P/P SD10, Milkman Half and Half, BJS Bar, Telonics Volume Pedal,Steel Seat, G&L ASAT Classic Bluesboy |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 1:08 pm
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ray...your gravity post is funny!
i've noticed my dad's old rcaf uniforms seem to weigh a ton! |
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Walter Bowden
From:
Wilmington, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2014 1:28 pm
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I agree with Rick. If Mr Carrera can get the Emmons p/p he should jump on it if it doesn't bust his budget and is in decent shape. I know of a fellow who sold his car to scoop up a French Selmer MK 6 sax and never regretted it. He has had many cars since then but still has the sax. JMHO
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Emmons S10, p/p, Nashville 112, Zion 50 tele style guitar, Gibson LP Classic w/Vox AC30, Fender Deluxe De Ville and a Rawdon-Hall classical |
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Jay Ganz
From:
Out Behind The Barn
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Posted 12 Apr 2014 5:17 am
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Seems like most of the weight is really in the darn case itself. My old D-10 '69er P/P that I haul around the most is only 30 lbs.
That's just the steel in a padded gig bag. The legs, rods, & rack is in a separate wooden case and that's 12 lbs.
Not too bad traveling that way!
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 12 Apr 2014 11:31 am
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Let me give my 2 cents:
The Emmons may well be lighter, but I can guarantee you that it will be heavier to play than the MSA, due to the fact that it is mechanically light years behind the MSA 
As you are a new player, the last thing that you want is to play a steel with a heavy, clunky action, even though its tone is allegedly better than the MSA.
Buy the Emmons, by all means, but keep the MSA if it is financially possible, as it's never a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket, especially on the other side with the greener grass. |
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