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Topic: A/B test request: Let me make it easier..... |
George Kimery
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Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2014 3:30 pm |
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| I had asked if somebody that owns a Telonics pedal, a Lil Izzy, and a Goodrich 120 to plug the Lil Izzy into the OUTPUT of the 120 pedal and then compare the sound with the Telonics pedal. No takers. So, can somebody do the same test with a Hilton pedal? With forum friends like Craig Baker and Dave Beaty on the forum, perhaps you would rather respond to me in private via PM and we can keep your name and opinion private and off the forum. I don't want to beat up or favor praise one over the other. I am getting a pretty good sound with the Izzy out of the 120 pedal, but I sold my Hilton pedal and I can't afford a Telonics right now, so I am very curious how close I am to the sound of either pedal with my "poor man's" active pedal. |
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George Kimery
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Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2014 5:21 pm A/B Test request: Let me make it easier.
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J Fletcher
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London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 4:54 am
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Hi George
Sorry I don't have the equipment to do what you ask, though I do have a Goodrich 120.
I see that you have your Little Izzy after your volume pedal, you are buffering between the volume pedal and the amp, minimizing the loading effect of the cable between the pedal and amp. Normally the Izzy goes between the guitar and volume pedal to buffer the pickup from the vol pedal. As you no doubt are aware.
My guess would be that an active volume pedal, such as a Hilton, has a buffered input, and a low impedance output, so electronically you are halfway there...Jerry |
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George Kimery
From:
Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 11:10 am A/B test request: Let me make it easier.
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Jerry, thanks for jumping in on this subject. To clear things up, I have one Lil Izzy plugged into the guitar and a 2nd one plugged into the output of the Goodrich 120 pot pedal. There is a significant difference in tone with the 2nd Izzy in the volume pedal. The sound is much clearer. I am running all George L cords. I would really like to know how much difference there is in the sound of the 120 with the Izzy and a Telonics and/or Hilton pedal WITHOUT a Lil Izzy.
BTW, I have one of Tom Bradshaw's pots in the 120 and I don't notice a tone change like I did in my old Allen Bradley pots. |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 7:18 pm
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George, I can't tell any difference between the Hilton and the Telonics. Both are great pedals.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Joshua Gibson
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2014 11:36 pm
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Short answer...You're not going to get the fidelity of tone that You would with an active pedal by simply buffering a pot pedal.
That being said...that was what I did until I was able to afford a Telonics...CMATS mods little green buffer box BETWEEN My steel and My 120.
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'83 Mullen custom D-10 8x5.
Mesa Lonestar classic 112 custom cab.
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 1000,
Telonics, Zoom, BJS,
Goldtone BS, LITM, OS Dobros.
Fender, G&L, Gibson, Ibanez guitars. |
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George Kimery
From:
Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 30 Mar 2014 2:05 pm A/B test request: Let me make it easier
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Matthew and Joshua, thanks for your input. Matthew, you have confirmed what I had two other, well known steel players tell me: They really couldn't tell any difference in the sound of the Hilton and Telonics pedal. Apparently you are paying more for the Telonics for the variable taper and the feel of the pedal, not the sound differene vs. the Hilton. (BTW: do you still have the Hilton that I traded you for the Zum rods and legs?)
Joshua, I think you are quite right. Trying to get the same sound as a Hilton or Telonis using a pot pedal and a buffer is probably not going to sound the same as the "real McCoy" active pedals. However, the Lil Izzy out of the 120 Pedal is definately an improvement and gives a cleaner sound.(I am running a 2nd Lil Izzy out of the guitar)
I was hoping somebody would run a comparison between a 120/Lil Izzy combination and/or a Hilton or Telonics. So far, nobody has stepped forward, but I am still hoping. |
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Joshua Gibson
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 30 Mar 2014 2:18 pm
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George,
I know this will sound like a dumb question to You...but, is there any way for You to find out what taper on the telonics the players that You spoke with are using I.E what number on the pedals display?,
Matthew, what taper were You using when You compared the the Hilton with the Telonics?,
Josh.
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'83 Mullen custom D-10 8x5.
Mesa Lonestar classic 112 custom cab.
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 1000,
Telonics, Zoom, BJS,
Goldtone BS, LITM, OS Dobros.
Fender, G&L, Gibson, Ibanez guitars. |
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George Kimery
From:
Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 30 Mar 2014 8:26 pm A/B comparison test request.....I'll make it easier.
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| Joshua, I talked to the two players in Nashville last September at the Super Jam. Neither one of them are on the forum, so I have no contact information on them. You might pose the quesiton as a seperate post to find out who is using what taper. |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2014 1:26 pm
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Don't remember where I got this Hilton, may have been from you. I've traded, sold and bought so much stuff on here that I cant remember. Its the older model Hilton that's hardwired to transformer. Has never missed a lick. I've also got the Telelonics that I traded for down the line somewhere.Can't tell much if any difference in them but the blue light is cool. 
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2014 7:50 pm
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I hear better string separation, especially on my lowest strings, with my Telonics pedal vs Hilton. Not a drastic improvement, but nice on extended E9. The best thing is having the various taper profiles. Ah, and the blue light climbing the pedal rods, I love that!
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