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Topic: Emmons models?? |
David Scheidler
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2014 7:02 pm |
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Okay you Emmons experts. I'm having some difficulty trying to understand the differences between Emmons guitar models. What is a "fatback" cabinet and what is a "cut tail" (years made etcetera...)? Also seems there was little or no separation in production between mica and lacquer cabinets with lots of overlap. I'm guessing the GS is a student model?
I keep hearing so much about the push-pull tone that I'm seriously considering acquiring a single-neck, lacquer cabinet Emmons. Not particularly fond of mica. I love my Sho-Bud S-12 so much that I'd probably be looking for a 12-string Emmons. |
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David Higginbotham
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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2014 7:52 pm
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Do a search on the forum and you will find a plethora of previous posts educating you on all of your inquiries. There is a S-10 Emmons push pull listed by Tony Cox that is a "Fat Back" model. Notice the rear apron and you will notice there is no curvature. It is straight across and that's a Fat Back model. The GS is in fact a student model. As for the tone difference in the Emmons lacquered body VS the Mica body, I personally haven't noticed a major difference in tone. Other models, like MSA, there is a very distinct difference whereas the lacquered greatly surpasses the tone of the mica IMHO. The one Tony has for sale had been completely rebuilt last year. It was originally a rosewood mica and is now a flat black mica. I know because I am the one that performed the restoration and refined every part of the steel. Bobby Bowman did the setup on the tuning and I can say that its arguably the best sounding PP that I've ever played!!! I spent many hours on it and Bobby is a top notch PP tech!!! You would be hard pressed to find a 12 string although I think one was listed recently.
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David Scheidler
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2014 8:22 pm
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David: Thanks for the info. I guessed that the full, rear apron, opposed to the cutout version might be the fatback. I've done some searches on the Emmons "models", but so far haven't found any clear definitions or explanations. I'll have to dig a little deeper. I'm assuming "cuttail" refers to the changer design somehow but I can't tell from the pics I've seen what the difference would be.
I remember seeing the 12-string that was up for sale recently. The guitar you restored is stunning! I just can't get interested in mica. Just seems a bit sterile for my taste. Lacquer has the vintage vibe that stirs my soul! |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 21 Mar 2014 5:48 am
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Just to help understand what you are seeing with the triad of types: Wraparound, Bolt On, Cut Tail---
These are all references to the different and evolving means by which the changers and necks are joined together and to the body.
And this pic illustrates the totally unrelated term "cut back" as opposed to "fat back"--terms describing the rear body apron.
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2014 8:06 am
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There is one model missing in those three photos and it is the Wraparound Bolt-on. It a wraparound tail piece with the changer axle pillows bolted to the top of the neck but with no ledge milled to lower the pillows. There were five or maybe six of those made.
There is also another rear apron style that is a severe cutaway. It is found on prototypes and guitars two and one.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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David Scheidler
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2014 6:40 pm
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Thanks for all the replies. I did some more searches and found those same changer pics. It's all starting to make sense. I'm not sure what my preference would be but one player mentioned that the bolt-on's had the best tone, as far as he was concerned.
Regarding the 12-string Emmons, I've seen several black mica models on the Forum plus one in white mica. No 12-string lacquer Emmons were made as far as I can tell. Can anyone confirm that? |
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Abe Levy
From:
California, USA
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David Scheidler
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2014 7:27 pm
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Jeff Newman's U-12....? 7x5.....? Set up by Tommy Cass.....? $3,250.....? Yikes!!! That one's definitely out of my league. I'm still fiddling around with extended E9 with a long way to go before I'm ready for a full universal setup. Thanks for the tip, though. Very cool machine!
In other news, seeing some old listings for Emmons SKH. What does that designation stand for? |
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David Scheidler
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2014 7:30 pm
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| Just found it - SKH stands for short key head. Does that make the overall length of the guitar that much shorter? |
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David Higginbotham
From:
Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2014 8:52 pm
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Know that Chris Lucker and Mike Cass are arguably the most knowledgable people of PP's and Chris can educate you on any aspects of differences in models as well as many that most have never heard of. There are many others here too that I've failed to mention but your in goods hands with those guys as you can see from the posts.
The SKH models are highly desired all pull models that have amazing tone. They are indeed shorter than the later LeGrande models and the PP's as well. But they sound great and many who sell theirs end up regretting it.
Yes! I'm in that group, unfortunately... |
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Jay Ganz
From:
Out Behind The Barn
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Posted 22 Mar 2014 5:27 am
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Hey, waiting a minute...those pics sure look familiar.... 
Those are pics of my steels that I submitted on an Emmons P/P thread way back when.
They're all still pushin' & pullin'!
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