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Topic: Lloyd Green's Comments on his Tone |
Joey Ace
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 5:26 pm
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In another post about the beautiful tone of Lloyd Green's ShoBud on his new CD, I rhetorically asked if he would sound as good another guitar.
Here, posted with his permission, is his reply:
quote: "No, I would not sound the same.... Something is inherent in that old Sho-Bud friend of mine that just touches my soul. I may use my talent goosing the sound out, but that sound and tone is indigenous to that steel. Maybe it has to do with the wood and /or it's age. We certainly complement each other.
This was, as you know, the very first LDG, delivered to me on May 9, 1973. We don't know the age of the birds-eye maple at that time. Then I played it on recording sessions for the next 15 years (more than 5,000). At that time I laid it in it's case for the next 14 years before I resurrected it. Then, when I started playing it again last year (2002), the sound grabbed me like never before. I'm simply inspired when I play that steel equivalent of a Stradivarius violin. Nothing I've ever played sounded quite so sweet and I suspect part of the magic lies in the age of the wood."
Thanks for the comments, Lloyd. |
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Jim Smith
From: Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 6:00 pm
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Joey, thanks for posting Lloyd's comments!
So we have Junior Knight, Maurice Anderson, and now Lloyd Green, posting three completely different ideas on "sound and tone". Who is right? I think they all are in some ways. |
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Larry Harlan
From: Hydro, Oklahoma
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 6:25 pm
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What did Lloyd play while his orig. 73 LDG was in the case? From 1986 till 1999 I was out of the psg info loop. |
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Kevin Mincke
From: Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 6:50 pm
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I think the "Evening of E9th" taping of Lloyd & Tommy, Lloyd was playing a JCH. What he played in between those years I'm not certain |
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Bobbe Seymour
From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 7:11 pm
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Jim Smith, the one that's right is the one that is getting the best tone.
Tilly Rotzittove [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 18 September 2003 at 08:24 PM.] |
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Jim Cohen
From: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 7:25 pm
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<> [This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 18 September 2003 at 08:26 PM.] |
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 18 Sep 2003 8:14 pm
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Larry, it was a JCH. But guitar tone doesn't matter anyhow according to some. I don't believe that. Lloyd gets a premium Sho-Bud tone. Thats one of the tones that I originally fell in love with steel guitar along with Tom Brumley on his ZB. |
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Joey Ace
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 19 Sep 2003 4:20 am
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More from Lloyd
quote: ""Sure, most people who know anything about the steel guitar are going to recognize me regardless of which steel I use. My central point is with my Sho-Bud it more closely approximates the sound I hear in my brain. Now this can be from long ago happy memories of all those singers and records with whom I recorded this steel, the indigenous sound of Sho-Bud (which I had used in the studios for 25 years) or the fact it is mostly old wood. Maybe all of the above. In any event, that old Sho-Bud fits me like a worn glove and I certainly sound better and can achieve the nuances of playing far better than with any other steel I've played because the sound and near perfect feel of the steel allow me the freedom to play without being aware of the instrument, just letting the ideas and music flow. Any fair minded person who was at St. Louis this year and listened would give a far different assessment than those who comment but were not in attendance.
In essence, with this Sho-Bud, the knowledge, the subtleties that only experience, maturity and a profound understanding of the E9th tuning with the exact pedal set-up I've used for 37 years all come together, and I can fluidly play the music I hear in my head.
That's all an instrument is supposed to do. It's merely a tool...albeit this being the best tool I have found.
I speak for no one other than myself in these matters. I long ago found my voice playing this tough instrument, and there are other roads one can choose in order to be comfortable playing. I long ago found mine and I don't obsess on the mechanics. Those become distractions to playing real music. The best players simply........play."
- Lloyd Green Sept. 18, 2003
of course, posted with his permission. |
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Roy Thomson
From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 19 Sep 2003 7:22 am
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It's nice to hear another " Great Voice Of Experience " speaking out while still breathing and walking around among us.
Congratulations to you Lloyd on a fine career and your willingness to help your many fans and admirerers.
Roy T. |
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C Dixon
From: Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2003 7:55 am
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My sincere thanks to one of the steel guitar world's ALL time greats for enlightening us in such an eloquent way with your poignant points concerning tone.
Because of your incredible past and contributions to our beloved instrument, IMO, it speaks truth.
Thanks again Lloyd, and may our precious Savior continue to nurture your awesome talents.
carl |
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John Macy
From: Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 19 Sep 2003 8:07 am
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Lloyd said:
"My central point is with my Sho-Bud it more closely approximates the sound I hear in my brain."
To me, that is the most definitive answer on tone. It's what happened to me when I switched from PP Emmons guitars to my current Fessenden's. It sounded more like me than I had ever heard, and translated to tape the same way. I could not agree more... |
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Bobbe Seymour
From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2003 7:13 pm
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I have seen many great pro-players post about tone, some are off by a mile, some are biased because of needing to push a product, and some just don't really know any better but the Lloyd Green statements contained in this thread are the most perfect, intelligent, heart felt, earthy , true, "exactly on the mark" statements I have ever seen in print on any forum.
(he said just what I told him to). Chuckle!Chuckle! This man has no reason to say anything but what and how he truly feels.
bobbeseymour[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 19 September 2003 at 08:15 PM.] |
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Bob Watson
From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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Posted 23 Sep 2003 12:52 am
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I felt that the comments that Junior Knight, Maurice Anderson,and Lloyd Green made about tone all had a common denomonater, which is:
Whatever kind of tone inspires you is the best tone for you to have. Junior Knight's comments were straight to the point, Maurice Anderson's comments were more philisophical and Lloyd Green's comments related his personal experience.Tone is in the ear of the beholder![This message was edited by Bob Watson on 23 September 2003 at 01:54 AM.] |
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Don Walters
From: Saskatchewan Canada
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Posted 23 Sep 2003 6:17 am
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Quote: |
... the freedom to play without being aware of the instrument, just letting the ideas and music flow ... |
and that is what separates the greats (on any instrument) from all others.
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 23 Sep 2003 8:08 am
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Sho-Buds rule. |
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Cliff Waterman
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Posted 24 Sep 2003 2:28 pm
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..."I've seen pro players that are off by a mile." Guess you kinda nailed yourself there didn't ya Bobbe? Since by your own word that the only person in the world that will ever acheive tone is someone who plays an Emmons push pull and of course we all know that doesn't happen unless its a"black one. No pun intended, just got to be careful what you post and at least try to stay consistant. This is posted on behalf of all of us that don't play push- pulls and love Lloyd Green and his incredible tone! |
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 24 Sep 2003 2:34 pm
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Does anyone here think that good string separation response in a guitar is a bad thing? Because some brands of guitars have better string separation than others. Does anyone here think that muddy tone with too many mids (destroying the clarity of triads)is a good thing? Because some brands of guitars are muddier sounding than others. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 24 September 2003 at 03:36 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 24 September 2003 at 03:37 PM.] |
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Joey Ace
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Sep 2003 3:43 pm
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From what I read, Lloyd, Bobbe, Junior, and most others are saying the same thing.
Tone is an individual thing, if it inspires you you've found it.
It's not the same for everyone.
Thanks Lloyd for sharing your thoughts so eloquently, and thanks to everyone who offered positive comments.
As this thread now seems to be headed in a different direction, I'm requesting it be closed.
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-j0ey-
www.JoeyAce.com
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