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Topic: Gabby Pahinui Steel Guitar |
Jack Hanson
From: San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 12:25 pm
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Does anyone know what type of steel guitar(s) the incomparable slack key artist Gabby Pahinui played? Seems I recall reading somewhere that Gabby played a single-neck 8-string Fender, but does anyone know for sure?
Also, what tuning(s) did Gabby favor on the steel. Every time I listen to "My Little Grass Shack" by Gabby and Alvin Isaacs, Junior, it knocks me out. Sounds like a 6th tuning to me, I'm thinking likely A6, but perhaps I'm way off base here. |
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Ron Whitfield
From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 3:20 pm
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He always had his black Fender (probably a StringMaster which Cyril has) with him the times I saw him, but he also had a white Fender (Deluxe?) in his last decades. C6 is what most say he used. |
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Mike Neer
From: NJ
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 3:44 pm
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Gabby is my favorite Hawaiian steel player. I love Jules and I love Sol, but Gabby is really special for me. There's so much genius in his playing, but he doesn't make it obvious.
From some of the tracks I've transcribed, he played a C13.
I was listening to Gabby's playing on A Leis Of Songs From Sam, and his tone is sublime. It almost sounds like a Rickenbacher B6 to me, but I have never heard any information saying that he ever even played one--I'm just saying it has that velvety tone.
Check out this cut from that album, this one featuring Gabby's vocals, which are just the greatest:
https://soundcloud.com/hoopii/sam-kahalewai-w-gabby-pahinui _________________ Links to streaming music, websites, YouTube: Links |
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Derrick Mau
From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 4:17 pm
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Aloha Jack,
I'm pretty certain that it was Barney Isaacs on steel playing "Little Grass Shack", with Gabby doing guitar and lead vocals.
Sounds to me like Barney is using C13th, and E13th for the jazzy solo in this song.
I talked to Gabby's son, Martin once. He told me his dad had a lot of instruments.
Outstanding touch and tone in Gabby's playing, and when backing up a singer, he knows when to play, and when not to play. |
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Jeff Au Hoy
From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 4:41 pm
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Gabby played a frying pan in his earlier days. Later on he had a couple of Fender Deluxe 8s. Eddie Palama's got the white one, one of his sons, the brown.
Mike, that was my impression of Gabby's tone too. Lots of "pop" to the attack that I always wished I could get out of a Fender. He's pictured with a Deluxe 8 on the back of the Sam Kahalewai album. I think he grabs the low G a few times on that album... definitely strums 13th chords with a doubled C... so I think we can at least conclude he was using an 8 string something or other.
I agree with Derrick; That's Barney Isaacs playing the steel on "My Little Grass Shack". |
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Derrick Mau
From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 4:55 pm
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Hi Jeff,
You are correct. Gabby also played a frypan in his earlier days. This elder lady once came to my gig on Fort Street and showed me an old pic she took of Gabby at this one nightclub with his frypan. He had the steel mounted on a stand and played standing up.
Gabby also knew how to play mandolin and upright bass. |
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Jeff Au Hoy
From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 26 Dec 2013 4:56 pm
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As a side note, I think the Kahalewai recording is interesting also in that it features Gabby playing "standard" rhythm guitar (steel was overdubbed). He's got a distinctive stroke... sounds like he is just using his bare nail(s). |
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Ron Whitfield
From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 11:39 am
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I always wondered if the frypans he's rarely pictured with in the '50s were his or if it was 'on loan' from Andy Cummings or the likes. I just don't see him owning a 'pan, or at least not for long. But anything is possible from Gabby. His strum is very uke-ish on the above recording, very cool sound, and a great take.
BTW, no C6 on any of his recordings? |
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Tom Snook
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 12:08 pm
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Are y'all talking about the Waikiki Records LP In Hawaii The Story Starts? If so I always thought it was Gabby on steel,kinda reminds me of Duke Chings'style.
I used to work cleaning The Honolulu Club,and when I cleaned the aerobics room,I used to play the green CD Slack Key and Steel Guitar on the sound system, -LOUD- Gabby played his a-- of on that one. ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ I wanna go back to my little grass shack........ |
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Derrick Mau
From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 1:07 pm
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Aloha Tom,
No, that's a different album.
We're talking about an album Gabby had done with Sam Kahalewai call: A Lei Of Songs From Sam.
The album is rare. I believe they only made a limited amount.
Produced by Four Winds Recording - FWR 2001
There are 5 songs done on the album written by my favorite composer, Alvin Kaleolani Isaacs Sr. |
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Bill Creller
From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 2:21 pm
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I have only one album of Gabby's playing, and didn't realize early on that he was playing a Fender. |
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Scott Thomas
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 3:26 pm
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Here's a quick scan of Gabby playing a frypan. I've also seen a few pics of him with a National New Yorker (with Andy Cummings).
Tom, I especially like his playing and tone on He Aloha No O Honolulu from that Slack and Steel Vol. 2 album. |
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Jeff Au Hoy
From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 3:50 pm
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Ron, on earlier recordings (Andy Cummings' group) I hear Gabby using a 6-string C13 (low to high: Bb E G A C E) or D9 (C#? E F# A C E). |
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Derrick Mau
From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 4:39 pm
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Epiphone or National amp in the pic? |
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David Matzenik
From: Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 4:55 pm
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Thanks Scott, that's a kind of Hawaiian classic trio: Ric Frypan, Epiphone archtop, and a real bass.
Nice shirts too. "Save picture as" _________________ Don't go in the water after lunch. You'll get a cramp and drown. - Mother. |
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Mike Neer
From: NJ
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 6:32 pm
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Derrick Mau wrote: |
Epiphone or National amp in the pic? |
That is an Electar Zephyr amp in the pic (made by Epiphone, and more specifically Nathan Daniel of Danelectro fame). _________________ Links to streaming music, websites, YouTube: Links |
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Tom Snook
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2013 7:51 pm
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What album was Jack talking about?
Could you weigh in here Jack,I hate being told I'm wrong. ![Crying or Very sad](images/smiles/icon_cry.gif) _________________ I wanna go back to my little grass shack........ |
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Norman Markowitz
From: Santa Cruz, California
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 10:02 am Re: Gabby Pahinui Steel Guitar
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Jack Hanson wrote: |
Does anyone know what type of steel guitar(s) the incomparable slack key artist Gabby Pahinui played? Seems I recall reading somewhere that Gabby played a single-neck 8-string Fender, but does anyone know for sure?
Also, what tuning(s) did Gabby favor on the steel. Every time I listen to "My Little Grass Shack" by Gabby and Alvin Isaacs, Junior, it knocks me out. Sounds like a 6th tuning to me, I'm thinking likely A6, but perhaps I'm way off base here. |
Hi Jack, I'm facebook friends with Cyril Pahinui. I copied your comments and sent them to Uncle Cyril. this was his response...
"Aloha Norman, Yes I do know it is an 8 string Fender. I do still have this guitar my dad gave to me. The tunings change depending on the song. Not sure on that one have to go listen to it." |
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Ron Whitfield
From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 11:31 am
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Mike Neer wrote: |
That is an Electar Zephyr amp in the pic (made by Epiphone, and more specifically Nathan Daniel of Danelectro fame). |
In my first phone call to Nat Daniel (he lived in Hawaii Kai and was in the phonebook) I excitedly mentioned him having made these great amps (as I've always wanted one) and he joked about it all, but it was just one of the many things he did and hoped to do that were of significant consequence. I can only imagine how Gabby sounded that nite thru that Epi amp with a frypan! |
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Mike Neer
From: NJ
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 12:13 pm
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Ron Whitfield wrote: |
Mike Neer wrote: |
That is an Electar Zephyr amp in the pic (made by Epiphone, and more specifically Nathan Daniel of Danelectro fame). |
In my first phone call to Nat Daniel (he lived in Hawaii Kai and was in the phonebook) I excitedly mentioned him having made these great amps (as I've always wanted one) and he joked about it all, but it was just one of the many things he did and hoped to do that were of significant consequence. I can only imagine how Gabby sounded that nite thru that Epi amp with a frypan! |
I can tell you, although I am no Gabby, that the one or two times I gigged with my Frypan and my Electar Zephyr, it was sublime. I wish I had recorded it. _________________ Links to streaming music, websites, YouTube: Links |
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Ron Whitfield
From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 1:01 pm
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Mike Neer wrote: |
I gigged with my Frypan and my Electar Zephyr, it was sublime. |
Gabby's steel style naturally evolved over the decades and during those last 2 he was on another planet, yet I doubt he even cared what he played thru as long as it was ok. But I'll bet that cool combo was the best, no matter who was at the helm. |
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Tom Snook
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 1:21 pm
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I keep coming back to this post day after day,night after night hoping that the author of this post Jack Hanson,would mention the name of the album from which the song he's referring to is on.The post took a wide turn in another direction,and it's buggin' the sjox out of me.
Jack,if you're out there what album were you referring to? _________________ I wanna go back to my little grass shack........ |
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Ron Whitfield
From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Jack Hanson
From: San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 2:31 pm Gabby
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I most certainly did not intend to open up a can of worms with my original post. A tip of the Hanson hat to all of you who have contributed so many fascinating and informative comments.
I have learned so much from all of you, especially you guys in Hawaii, and those of you with ties to the Pahinui family. Thanks to everyone.
I would love to share the name of the CD in question, but it is presently packed away in my storage unit. It's been about a zillion degrees below zero here lately (okay, slight exaggeration), so I'm in no mood to go rummaging through that unheated building. But I will find it, and I promise to report back.
As I recall the album, it was mostly slack key, with a few large band production numbers sprinkled in. It was no doubt a compilation from several different sessions, and it was probably released in the mid to late 1990's. I remember some tunes were heavy on vibes, and I'm fairly certain Gabby was credited as the steel player. His distinctive beautiful falsetto vocals were definitely front and center however, on that account I'm fairly certain.
Certainly we all can agree it's a shame Gabby's fine steel guitar work often takes a back seat to his slack key. He was a true virtuoso, and it's a crime that he was not more universally recognized by the mainstream until after his passing.
"Pure Gabby" would rate at or near the top of my short list of records to be stranded with on a desert island. |
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Jack Hanson
From: San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2013 2:36 pm
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Ron!
That's the one!!
Thank you so much!!!
Don't know who's playing the steel on "My Little Grass Shack," but it's definitely smokin'! Wow, that intro warms it up a good 80 degrees up here in the frozen tundra... |
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