nylon tuner

Gary Glisson · From: munford, tn 38058

hi does anyone have a trick to keeping a nylon tuner from backing off? I have a carter D-10 and I can tune play a few songs then check my tuning and the
B pedal six string is a little flat

thanks gary
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Storm Rosson · From: Silver City, NM. USA

Have u adjusted the pedal stop (if it has one)if not all the pressure mite be against the nylon tuner nut , that can cause that. Also you mite need to replace the nylon nut as they do wear out. Very Happy

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Best just to replace it.
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Gary, although they last a long time, they're consumable. Jim Palenscar or Tom Bradshaw (or your steel dealer of choice) can hook you up with new ones. If your 6th string is slipping, it's just a matter of time before the 5th joins it.
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Ray Anderson · From: Jenkins, Kentucky USA

Well , you can remove the tuning nut and take something small i.e. toothpick ,broomstraw or the likes. Borrow some nail polish from the superintendent of the house and dip the end of the toothpick and get a drop from the polish bottle , them carefully insert the polish into the tuning nut ( one place on the threads will suffice) let it set-up for a minute or until dry and reinstall on rod. It will make new threads as it goes on and that should take care of you. New ones have to cut threads anyways . Make sure the polish is dry before reinstalling. Cool

Hope this helps. It has always worked before, no reason it won't work for you.

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

For a quick fix, swap the loose nylon nut with one you don't tune very often or a change you rarely use.

Ray Anderson · From: Jenkins, Kentucky USA

Hey Jim, I have done that also, but didn't think of it until I had posted. Rolling Eyes

Good call. That's why you get the big bucks. Laughing

Paul Redmond · From: Illinois, USA

The rod has never been properly de-burred....of that I can assure you. Take the rod out, file or sand the burrs off that first thread, and put on a new nut. If you don't have one, contact me or Jeff Surratt.
PRR

Jimmy Gibson · From: Cornwall, England

I get my 8th nylon tuners from EBAY or Maplins they are in different length and work fine on my MSA 8th pull rods, They can also be bought in packs of ten of different length. And they are cheap.

Jimmy.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I think Carter uses 7/64, they looked smaller than MSA
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Jimmy Gibson · From: Cornwall, England

Yes lane I know that,but there are still quite a few steels that use 1/8th rods so it may help if someone needs any 1/8th nylon tuners.

Just to add the ones from Maplins and Ebay are 6mm but no problem just use a 6mm socket, that's what I use with no problem.

Jimmy..

Paul Redmond · From: Illinois, USA

They use a 3/32" rod on Starter's...don't know about the the pro models. I have....as does Jeff at Show-Pro.... mucho of these tuners in stock. They are NOT 1/8" rods.
PRR

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

3/32" on the pro Carters also.
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Judson Adair · From: Oklahoma, USA

How can you tell what size you need? I have a Wilcox SD-10. I have one that clearly needs replacing but I don't know what size to order. I don't want to buy a pack that I will never use.

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Get a tape measure and measure the rod's width (That is also it's diameter). That's all I did.
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Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

Nylon tuners in some instances have always been a pain in the rear, especially if they get worn. I've just never liked the fact that when a string is pulled, the nylon tune is your stop so to speak. Even though they work very well in the modern guitars, I think a threaded metal tuner would be better for sound and for tuning, like the ones Bruce uses on his Zum Hybrid. If you think about it, the older Sho Buds and of course Emmons and ZB were all metal to metal and everyone always raves about their tone, so go figure.
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D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
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Tim Konecky · From: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA

I've used low strength loctite with some success. Though it does make em grab pretty hard so you gotta really crank on em to tune up. They sure don't move too much I tell you what.
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Paul Redmond · From: Illinois, USA

I'll post this once more for the benefit of those who may not have seen the prior post. Over the years, I have worked on guitars where the nylon tuners turned so freely as not to need a wrench when turning them. The culprit almost every single time was the horrible burr on the first thread of the rod....it acted like a cutting tool. So instead of the threads "upsetting" to final contour, they cut just as if you ran a tap in the hole. I have cut hundreds and hundreds of rods over the years and not a one ever turned out "loose" with the nut because I de-burred that first thread every time.
Yes, there must be something to the metal-contact thing. ZB, Kline, early ShoBud, and even earlier BMI's had short steel sleeves between the nut and the changer lever. Could be just another small piece of the pie re: tone.
PRR

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