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Topic: A B pedals with E knee lever |
Rick Myrland
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New Orleans
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Posted 22 Jul 2013 5:11 pm |
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What chord does this make? I've scoured my chord finder book and can't figured this out. Sounds very C6-like.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 22 Jul 2013 5:33 pm
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What do you mean by E lever?
If you mean dropping the Es to D#, that'll give you a chord that we'd use as B9th. Everybody else on the bandstand has your B (and, for that matter, the F#) covered. So D# is 3, A is 7 and C# is 9. You can find other uses, but that's the most common.
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Sonny Jenkins
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 6:37 am
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| If your E lever lowers Es to D#,,,it would be a 9th chord two frets below AB position,,,i.e. G9 at 8th fret. If your E lever raises Es to F,,,then it would give you an augmented at the AB position,,,i.e. G aug at the 10th fret. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 7:11 am
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Sonny, not to get too technical (oops, too late), but if you don't have the root, it's not really a B9 (open), as you lack a B, til you let up on the A pedal, say the kind of people who point out that the millennium didn't start til 2001.
That's why I said "we use it as B9."
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Erich Meisberger
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Vermont, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 7:31 am
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With E's lowered and AB depressed you get a m7b5 one fret up from no pedals on strings 8,7,6,5.
Am7b5 at fret 6 with AB+E on strings 8,7,6,5. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 8:42 am
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When I write tab, I use the A,B & E combination when I want a 9th chord.  |
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Rick Myrland
From:
New Orleans
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 9:03 am
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Okay, so would you generally use this as a "substitute" chord (not sure it's actually a "substitute" per say) to get more of a western swing sound?
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 9:06 am
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| Not particularly, there are a lot of songs written with 9th chords. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 10:42 am
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Along the same lines as Lane and Sonny, if you use the B pedal and your "E" lever (lowering the e's to D#) down two frets from the A & B pedal position to play the 7th, squeeze in the A pedal for some real pretty and tasty stuff. Players does this a lot.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 10:59 am
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I don't necessarily associate that with western swing: I coulda sworn "Crazy Arms" was in the Winston/Keith book (maybe it was in the Buddy Emmons 12 shuffles LP and tab I got at about the same time). You can't play Crazy Arms (or A Way to Survive) without that combo.
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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 11:38 am
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I thought these combinations were just considered
pedal steel guitar 101
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Tucker Jackson
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 12:03 pm
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| Rick Myrland wrote: |
| Okay, so would you generally use this as a "substitute" chord (not sure it's actually a "substitute" per say) to get more of a western swing sound? |
This is a particularly rich position because it can serve so many purposes; I can think of four chords you can get with AB with E-lower. It all depends on the context and which string you consider to be the root (all examples below are at the nut or 12th fret):
1) B9th - The first one most folks think of. Richard mentioned a common usage, going from the typical 7th chord to this one by stepping on A.
2) Ebm7b5 (also called 'half-diminished'). As Erich mentioned, this is one fret up from open. Root note is on the 8th string.
3) F#m6 - root on the 7th string.
If you play the common minor-7 chord using AB pedals (two frets back from open)... and then lower the E's, it changes the '7' to a '6'. Now, it's a minor-6 chord. Rick, maybe you're hearing the 'sixth' in this context and it's reminding you of western swing?
4) A-b5 - The root is on string 6. A normal pedals-down chord, but with the 5th tone flatted. Jazz, anyone? |
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 12:22 pm
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Since we steelers seldom play more than three notes at at a time and frequently just two on the E9th neck, I see these moves as partials and I am envisioning the full chord even if another insturment, particulaly the bass is supplying the rest of the chord. As has been pointed out above, any two or three string combination can have countless functions.
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Sonny Jenkins
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Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 12:47 pm
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| Lane,,in my example the G (root) is on the 9th string at 8th fret,,,oooops,,,I'm on my uni. It would still imply a very good 9th chord. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Jul 2013 1:53 pm
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I'm with you, Sonny. But I kinda think it makes sense to point out, when someone asks "what chord is this?", if you leave the root implicit, that you make that part clear.
And your A pedal doesn't raise 9?
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Douglas Bone
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Fort Worth,Tx. USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2013 8:04 pm
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Seems I read somewhere that A&B and Es lowered also made a 13th, strumming 8 thru 4?
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 24 Jul 2013 9:20 pm
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Huh? I'd like to know which and how.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 4:07 am
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| Douglas Bone wrote: |
| Seems I read somewhere that A&B and Es lowered also made a 13th, strumming 8 thru 4? |
| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Huh? I'd like to know which and how. |
In A, the 13th would be a F# which you get on strings 1 & 7. But you have a flatted 5th on 4 & 8 and that would make a 13 (or 6) with a flat 5 chord (or sharped 11 -augmented 11???) , if there is such a thing.
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Bill Duncan
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Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 4:32 am
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I love to read this stuff, but I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. I am truly amazed at how much many of you folks know about music theory. I get the tune in my head and match the guitar's sound to it. Most of the time I have no idea what the chord is.
The guitar picker I play with knows theory well, and sometimes will mention that he likes the such and such (add letter and number here), chord I used and I say, "I didn't know it had a name, I just made it up".
I wish I knew music theory, and I am envious of you folks that do. I just keep trying pedal/lever/string combinations untill I hit on a combination that sounds right.
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Mule Ferguson
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 8:28 am
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Hey Bill: I guess us old Wilkes/Caldwell boys think alike.
Mule
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Bill Duncan
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Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 8:46 am
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Looks like! Does it lose you too?
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Mule Ferguson
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 12:15 pm
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Yes.
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Butch Mullen
From:
North Carolina, USA 28681
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 1:51 pm
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| Some play like that in Alexander county,too. I've run across that AB D#,also. I don't know what it is but it sounds good. When you are over 70 it really don't matter, just keep pickin' and having fun. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 4:11 pm
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It is possible to shoot from the hip, but it never hurts to know all that stuff. And cats like Russ Wever or the late Reece Anderson show/end how Jaw-dropping you can be when you know how all them chords work
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Bill Duncan
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Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2013 4:46 pm
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There's almost enough of us nearby pickers to start a club. I never knew you guys were there. Alexander; Wilks, Caldwell. Dang were everwhere!
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