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Topic: question for stage one owners |
Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 9 May 2013 1:45 pm |
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I used to own a stage one and just recently ordered a new one from Doug for sandy,(wife)
but the only thing I never liked about it was the angle iron knee levers
so my question is : can I take a say, a 1 inch by 1/4 flat aluminum bar and replace them
and if so what would I have to do other than drill the attachment hole ?
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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Scott Duckworth
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Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Posted 9 May 2013 3:42 pm
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You might contact Doug. When the Encore came out, he said some of the Encore stuff was incorporated into the StageOne. That might be one of the changes.
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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 9 May 2013 4:06 pm
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thanks I might do that , the guitar is supposed to be delivered in mid June
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Richard Jundt
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Puyallup, Washington, USA
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Posted 9 May 2013 5:23 pm
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Calvin, I got my stageone a month and a half ago, and it has the angled knee levers.
I too would like them bit wider.
I have not called Doug about it yet, but I should. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 9 May 2013 6:07 pm
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I have not talked to him but I don't think he will do it , both the carter starter and the stage one had that type knee levers and I hated them , that was the only thing I didn't like on the stage one but it would seem to be both cheap and easy to replace them with solid levers ..of course I could be WRONG ...lol
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Allan Jirik
From:
Wichita Falls TX
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Posted 9 May 2013 6:50 pm
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| My knee levers have always worked fine and I've never had any problem with the width. The only thing I've noticed is that I have to be careful when sitting down at the guitar so as not to push the lever the wrong way and bend something under there. |
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John Scanlon
From:
Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Hans Penner
From:
Manitoba, Canada
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Posted 9 May 2013 9:45 pm
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John, StageOnes do not use a solid rod.
Its right angled in shape.
Good or bad knee levers?
I can't say.
Its the only one I have played.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 9 May 2013 10:02 pm
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if I remember right on the carter starter that I had, I kept bending the LKR on it , and altho I don't ever remember bending the one on the stage one . I just thought they looked weak
John : what color did you get?
I ordered the black
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 9 May 2013 11:34 pm
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| Screw a flang on the lever and make it as wide as you want. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 10 May 2013 6:34 am
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I played a new Black Stage-One the other night and it is really nice!
Looked, Played, and Sounded, great. Lifting it was a pleasure compared to my steels.
It looks like the Red nylon tuners in the endplate "pre-load" the open-note on the changer fingers for the strings/levers with lowers (E>Eb's on LKR, and D#>D on RKL). Correct?
I noticed that these levers still have some travel before they hit the hard-stops after the note lower is complete. Can that be optimized?
The Stage-One knee levers didn't seem problematic to me, but one thing some guys do is slide a piece of tubing over the knee lever. I have some black plastic tubing and it makes the square edges on knee levers more comfortable, can make them longer if needed, and looks fine if you use nice tubing. |
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 10 May 2013 7:23 am
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Calvin:
Actually, right now, I don't have either - those pics are from the ongoing Encore thread someone else pictured. I was just sharing them here in response to Scott's proposition that the Encore's production may have resulted in this upgrade to the Stage One (along with other upgrades it got like the keyhead). However, I did just order an Encore (to upgrade at long last from my Carter Starter), and I picked "Jeff Newman Red" as the color.
Hans: Good question. I can't speak to the Stage One, or any other steel guitar for that matter, but I can say that the (L-bracket looking) angle-iron knee levers and their connectors to the bell cranks on my Carter Starter are flimsy and I worry they may break or wear out one day under only a small bit of knee force -- on LKL, they prevent a solid, tuneable stop, making that important lever pretty much useless, at least on my guitar. In fact, I have kind of stopped using it when playing with bands b/c it's almost guaranteed it'll make an out of tune note.
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Hans Penner
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Manitoba, Canada
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Posted 10 May 2013 8:07 am
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The red nylon tuners in the end plate are not to be adjusted, ever.
Their purpose is to keep the fingers aligned with each other.
The knee levers that lower are adjusted using an Alan wrench.
There are three Alan screws at the very top of the end plate.
I can't speak to optimizing the lever's travel before they hit the hard-stops after the note lower is complete.
I just checked my travel and the lowering of the note is complete when the lever reaches the stop.
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At long last, July 14, 2011 and I have a musical instrument I CAN play.
Stage One, Nashville 112, Hilton pedal, Black Box |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 10 May 2013 8:19 am
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after I posted this I got to thinking that Doug give's a 1 year warranty , so I might better wait before I tinker with anything ...lol
as far as those allen screw tuners go , a few years ago I had a fellow forumite visit and wanted to play the stage one , he wanted to use his tuning so I let him tune it his way , he messed with those allen tuners and after he left I spent 3 hours on the ph with Bruce before I got the damn thing straightened out again ...NOW NO ONE TOUCHES MY TUNING
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 10 May 2013 8:35 am
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| couldn't a short call to bruce have avoided this whole thread? |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 10 May 2013 8:35 am
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What Bo said. Add flags. As simple as dirt. The levers on my Stage One work so easily that they could even be more narrow and I don't think it would be a problem.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 10 May 2013 8:49 am
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chris
to answer your question : I really thought by now someone would have already changed the knee levers on theirs .
as long as your like me and never wanted to change the copendent with the exception of the knee levers I think the stage one is damn close to being as good as a pro model . I never needed double or triple raises or lowers
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 10 May 2013 9:04 am
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| Calvin Walley wrote: |
...as far as those allen screw tuners go , a few years ago I had a fellow forumite visit and wanted to play the stage one , he wanted to use his tuning so I let him tune it his way , he messed with those allen tuners and after he left I spent 3 hours on the ph with Bruce before I got the damn thing straightened out again ...NOW NO ONE TOUCHES MY TUNING |
That is so funny (not really, I guess).
Yeah, they look like they are red just to distinguish between raise and lower adjustments.
I like the simplicity of the single changer finger. They probably should've made it impossible to adjust those red guys, though.
They should also include one of these double ended tuning-tools, instead of a endplate-screwdiver and an allen-wrench.
http://www.psgparts.com/Tools_c5.htm
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