C6 tuning for country..and Troy Brenningmeyer opinions

Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

So I found this Troy Brenningmeyer on line that has a series of lessons pretty uch concentrating on C6 for county ( my goal).

he recommends CEGACE for lap steel tuning in he lessons

Do any of you know about this system he uses and opinons pro or con on that tuning.

I pretty much go by ear 100%..and am VERY new at this hole electric stuff... I am a dobro picker by ear and moving on.

Opinions aprpeciated, THx

David McGuire · From: West Virginia, USA

He has some samples posted on youtube I think. I would check it out on there.

Brad Bechtel · From: San Francisco, CA

That's one of the most popular tunings for lap steel. It does require different string gauges than the open G tuning I believe you have been using.

It's a very versatile tuning, providing lots of chordal and melodic opportunities.
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Paul DiMaggio · From: Fort Nelson, British Columbia, Canada

I'm not sure what you mean by "system" but Troy's videos are similar to other non interactive teaching videos. Split screen for left and right hand, tabs and chord charts and note for note explanations. He does a good job of explaining what he is teaching.

CEGACE lo to hi is the most common 6 string C6th tuning. There are many other combinations that can be used tho. There are lots of resources for that tuning out there. My suggestion to you is to find a teacher, it speeds things up. There must be lots of them in Florida. Face to face is the best, if you can or by Skype which has the advantage of you being able to record the lessons. The other thing is, learn some rudimentary theory, that also helps. Most of all, play.

Bill McCloskey · Posted 18 Apr 2013 7:11 am

C6th tuning is great and very versatile. But it is completely different than playing the dobro, so much so that it can get frustrating when you first move to C6: none of your old tricks and licks will work. It takes a completely different feel and approach (as well as a change in bar).

Personally, I've looked at a lot of the lap steel teaching materials and I've found all the ones I've seen wanting. While Troy's are well produced, it has always struck me that he is more of a dobro player than lap steel player and for the most part anything presented on most teaching materials for lap steel (regardless of the teacher) is pretty rudimentary (with the exception of Mike Neer's work) and I've always thought you could figure out what they are teaching on your own.

For me, the fastest path to learning is to just listen and try and imitate what you are hearing from recordings of good players. C6th is definitely the way to go, but get ready to unlearn pretty much everything you know now.

Jim Williams · From: Meridian, Mississippi, USA - Home of Peavey!

I too am learning the lap steel in C6, but I don't have a dobro background. I have one of Troy's basic lessons and it is well produced and has some good material in it for an absolute beginner, of course it never hurts to reveiw. However someone with a musical background might find much of it to be things they already know, with no disrespect to Troy, who by the way is a member here. A couple of resources I have and would recommend are:

Mel Bay Basic C6th Nonpedal Lap Steel Method by DeWitt Scott. This also starts out basic but moves along pretty quickly.

Another member here Doug Beaumer has a couple of spiral bound book / CD sets out. 25 Songs for Lap Steel Guitar and 25 More Songs for Lap Steel Guitar. I very highly recommend these, especially for someone who already has a music background. They are both for C6, six string lap steel. Take a listen to some of Doug's stuff on youtube. He plays beautifully and uses a lot of two and three string harmony. His website is http://www.dougbsteel.com/. The combos are $49.95 each but the tab is large and clear and the spiral binding is extremely nice instead of having to fight keeping a book open on a music stand. There are actually two cd's, one with Doug performing each song with a background (band in a box I think) track. The other cd has just the background tracks. In my opinion these are worth every cent.

I've also heard great comments about the Jerry Byrd course for steel guitar. http://www.scottysmusic.com/byrdbook.htm
This one is around $100 but I have heard it is worth every penny.

Good luck with the lap steel and C6th. It is a little different, but it is very versatile, and you can really get some beautiful sounds from it. One plus for C6 vs open G is the ease of making minor chords Smile

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Ulrich Sinn · From: California, USA

http://www.sierrasteels.com/lessons/lessons-index.html

really good. will keep you busy for a long time to come.

Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

Thanks group.. now I have things to research.
I have the amp and guitar working together so I can play with the music and here myself and it thru headphones...so not to chace the wife out of the House!

Need to restring to C6 which I have all the strings.. Onward..

I play every night for at least an hout... fixin to have some fun with the C^

Thanks to all

Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

Last question... is the CEGACE from bottom to top??
C, E, and G being the wound strings?? I think so but ?? I am a total novice at this!! Daa

CEGACE is the A wound?
I am trying to figure the correct string guages and which ones are wound

am thinking C .036 / E .056 / G .026/ A ? .046 OR .022 / C .018 / E .013

yikes.. NOW i AM REALLY CONFUSED

David Knutson · From: Cowichan Valley, Canada

Hi Richard. You can get information about strings and gauges for various tunings by checking out the "STRINGS" section of the forum. You can order them right there if you choose to, but at least you will get a sense of what you need. C6 is a great tuning with all kinds of gems hidden within it. Have fun!
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Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

David Knutson · From: Cowichan Valley, Canada

Look up at the top of your screen, above the "Steel Guitar Forum" logo. That's where it is on mine, anyhow.
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Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

David... I have a bunch of strings.... just trying to get the proper string gage on in order... I be a newbe Smile

David Knutson · From: Cowichan Valley, Canada

Something like this is a place to start:

C-34 E-30 G-24 A-20p C-17/18 E-14/15

You'll end up making adjustments to match your taste and what your steel "likes".
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Jim Williams · From: Meridian, Mississippi, USA - Home of Peavey!

I put sets together using single strings (steel not bronze) from my local music store. I us regular round wounds on the CEG strings. Some sets have an unwound string on the G but it is a bit hard to find unwound in that gauge here. My RLS has a very short scale so I use a little larger gauge strings on the CE & G and it works better to me.
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Bill McCloskey · Posted 18 Apr 2013 12:18 pm

For questions about string guages I usually refer to http://www.hawaiiansteel.com John Ely's site.

James Kerr · From: Scotland, UK

And here, with String Guages for each tuning, also tuition material for Lap Steel

http://www.cindycashdollar.com/tunings/
Formidable Lady Player.

James.

Richard Lahr · From: Gulf Cove Florida, USA

got it figured out... thanks for all the input... all is good but I got the strings going under the widers not over.. whoops.. tomorrow is another night .. got to change them... \

this is a learning experience...

FYI Elderly.com/.....ELDLap C6.. the whole set of strings in one.

I used what I had for now... real close

Thanks again to everyone

Barbara Berg · From: Washington, USA

Hi, I'm pretty much a newbe in C6 tuning, I love the sound. John Ely that was mentioned a couple of posts ago, also gives lessons. I've learned quite a bit from him so far, plus reading the SGF comments. You might give him a try he is reliabe in answering your questions. He played with Jerry Byrd, like some of you old timers have done.

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