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Paul Foster
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 11:21 am |
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Yesterday I purchased a Williams on E-Bay I won the auction, paid for the guitar immediately and was congraluted for winning, told to enjoy my new guitar ect ect, the Williams was a 600 series about 5 years old sd-10, very nice at a very nice price.
About 3 to 4 hours later I recieved notice that the owner had cancelled the bid and had refunded my money!! I didnt want the money I wanted the Williams. This ever happen to any of you? was it legal to do that after the auction had ended and I had already paid??
Comments please !!! Thanks large |
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Jon DeLorme
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Brooklyn New York, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 11:23 am
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wow, def. not in ebays legal guidelines unless he filed for some sort of appeal with them. I would contact ebay and contest this, or just be descript in your feedback.
sorry to hear |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 12:11 pm
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Since you asked for commentary... 
You really want to go to the mattresses over this? A good transaction is one in which both parties are happy, or at least somewhat satisfied, with the deal.
I personally wouldn't want a guitar that the seller is forced by a third party (in this case, eBay) to sell. I doubt that eBay could do anything about your actually getting the guitar anyway.
You immediately got your money back, right? Look at it this way, you were disappointed, you weren't damaged. Life isn't fair or always goes our way. Get over it and spend your energy looking for another guitar, like here on the Forum.
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 1:27 pm
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Somebody made him/her a better offer privately most likely, and he was playing 2 people at once...I got stiffed once by a music shop that sold underneath me, meaning i ''paid in full'' but it got sold by accident for more money before i could pick it up.
It's dirty work and it happens all the time... What did he have to say, Ummmm, well, well, Ummm Ummm? Thought so!
I would not move on and let this slide, get the answer's and corner him. Get his $$$ reported to ebay immediatly... You made a deal and you diden't renig!
His 'Feedback' won't look preety! If i tell you i'll be in Berlin at Noon day after tommorow, i'll be there!!
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Dave Bertoncini
From:
Sun City West, Arizona USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 2:06 pm
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If it is the same seller I looked up on ebay he did the same thing before...look at second page of his feedback
Last edited by Dave Bertoncini on 31 Mar 2013 2:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 2:08 pm
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| I think I'd be more inclined to move on and chalk it up to experience, it probably aint worth the hassle but he would certainly receive some shitty comments for feedback. |
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 2:43 pm
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This is sharp practice, and against the eBay rules. He could get struck off eBay for this. I would pursue it.
How can anyone bid on eBay if the seller has a right to back out after the auction is completed? It contravenes the very nature of an auction.  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 2:51 pm
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i agree...doesn't sound right! bummer for paul, too.
would it be ok if we go string the guy up? |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 3:21 pm
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The bad part about E-bays rating system is if you give him a bad mark then he gives you a bad rating... even though you did nothing wrong.. 
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Dennis Wireman
From:
North West Indiana 47978
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 3:41 pm ebay
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| I do not think you can leave negative feedback any more ebay changed that sorry for your deal |
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Alex Cattaneo
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 3:53 pm
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| I was looking at that auction but couldn't bid because it was a driving day in between two gigs for me so I was on the road. I couldn't believe the guitar sold for less than 1700$. Maybe the owner got a better offer privately, maybe he decided to keep it when the auction failed to produce the result he was looking for. Anyhow, I can understand your disappointment! |
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Dave Bertoncini
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Sun City West, Arizona USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 4:12 pm
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| Ebay won't allow negative feedback for a buyer anymore...all they can do is comment |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 8:45 pm
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I've never understood that. If negative feedback is not allowed then what value does positive feedback have?
I've also never understood why they put an immovable ending time on auctions, which benefits neither the buyers nor the seller, and encourages snipers. There have been several occasions when I would have bid more but I ran out of bidding sime. What would be better would be if bids could continue beyond the closing time until no bids had been made for two minutes. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 9:17 pm
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I suspect what happened is that someone who lost the auction but who was willing to go higher (but ran out of time) emailed the seller through eBay saying they would pay X-amount more, if the seller would cancel the sale and sell to him privately, and to sweeten the deal, the seller wouldn't have to pay eBay their fair share of the selling price. Totally against eBay rules, of course, and while I agree with Herb that you might not want to pursue this particular guitar (it's likely gone already anyway), you might want to pursue this particular seller, by notifying eBay of their modus operandi and, of course, writing an appropriate comment on their feedback form as a warning to others.
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John Scanlon
From:
Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 10:27 pm
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I'd be bummed, too. However, I think I heard of a French phrase once that may be appropriate here......
Ebay's huge. I have never had a bad deal there, but I'm sure it happens daily, just based on sheer numbers. Shame, though - hope you can pursue something to get you a satisfactory remedy.
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2013 10:59 pm
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| Alan Brookes wrote: |
I've never understood that. If negative feedback is not allowed then what value does positive feedback have?
I've also never understood why they put an immovable ending time on auctions, which benefits neither the buyers nor the seller, and encourages snipers. There have been several occasions when I would have bid more but I ran out of bidding sime. What would be better would be if bids could continue beyond the closing time until no bids had been made for two minutes. |
Snipers are not a problem to anyone who bids what they are willing to pay for an item.
If you are outbid, whether it is in the auction's first hour, or its last few seconds, it is because someone else was willing to pay more than you. There is nothing you can do about that unless it is your fault for not bidding what you would gladly have paid for the auction item.
In your example you said you lost out on winning several auctions because you would have bid more but ran out of time. It takes no more time to make your first bid what you would be comfortable paying. If you hope to steal an item for less than you think it is worth and less than you are willing to pay -- who's fault is that?
Treat eBay as though you were submitting a written bid with a live auction house.
Place your bid and don't stress about it.
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Darrell Birtcher
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 6:46 am ebay feedback
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Can you even leave feedback for a cancelled transaction?
Just curious. |
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Jack Aldrich
From:
Washington, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 7:50 am
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I had that happen to me a few months ago. I thought I was the final bidder (and eBay told me so) on a double 8 Rickenbacker console non-pedal guitar. I e-mailed the seller, then everything disappeared. It was like I'd never bid on the item. I was very unhappy until my guru, Alan Akaka, told me that these guitars are dogs, and I would have been unhappy with it. Whew.... - Jack
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Niels Andrews
From:
Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 8:40 am
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It sounds like the seller did not get the price he wanted, and for some reason either inexperience or ignorance he backed out of the deal. I have bought and sold a lot of items on ebay, always been happy. But my father told me if a deal is too good to be true? Well it is too good to be true.
Always seems there are good deals here on the forum, maybe that would suit you better. But I am afraid you are wasting your time trying to force someone to sell you a guitar for less than he thinks it is worth.
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 8:52 am
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But...If you the buyer back out of a Deal, they really tear into you. If you want a 'minimal' price then put a 'Reserve' on it. The man paid the money at the price that the bid was 'WON AT' so i'd say the Steel guitar was his...
If you sell an item worth $4000, and it sells for $500.00, then it get's sold for whatever it brings. Just because it's worth more, does not warrant a ''refund'' and without a 'Reserve' that's just how Ebay works!
If i was to buy some tennis shoes in a shop for say $145.00, [and whilst i run to get dinner and they package it] i don't expect them to sale it to somebody else for $180 after a sale...It's Dirty work and Un-Ethical business practice, and i would stay well away from people who think with ONLY a money minded capitalist greed mindset, we still need morals in this world when buying and selling!!
Edited for typo's.
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 9:15 am
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| Further to the idea of holding auctions open until people have stopped bidding, can you imagine a real auction where there's a frantic bidding war going on and the auctioneer suddenly announces, "Time up, auction over." There would be uproar, and neither the bidders nor the seller would be happy. |
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 9:29 am
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Paul should have received an email from the seller, asking paul if he could buy the guitar back, as it now belongs to him...Paul may have decided to keep the guitar or he may have decided to made himself some money!  .... A renig is a No-Go!
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 9:45 am
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Paul was indeed "wronged" from a ethical point of view, for sure. But he didn't lose any money and he sure ain't gonna get the guitar, right? So, the question remains, how much emotional energy, time, and aggravation does he want to spend chasing down this seller punitively?
(Paul, please excuse me for talking about you in the third person with you obviously reading this; I'm addressing all the commentary.)
Personally... meaning "just me,"... I'm too old to spend time tilting at this particular windmill when the only outcome will be some sort of satisfaction against a guy who negated the deal for some as yet unknown reason. I'm more into choosing my battles wisely, and not spending time and energy on Pyrrhic victories.
But if y'all are latter-day crusaders against the very occasional injustices present in the eBay monolith, sharpen y'all's lances and saddle your steeds. 
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Ray Thomas
From:
Goldsboro North Carolina
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 9:56 am Ebay
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I'v did much business on ebay, most was ok, you will probably hear something like, I intended to cancel but didn't do it on time. Getting something done through the protest process will probably take months. Get a good cup of coffee, chalk it up and move on.
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 1 Apr 2013 3:05 pm
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| Herb Steiner wrote: |
| Paul was indeed "wronged" from a ethical point of view, for sure. But he didn't lose any money and he sure ain't gonna get the guitar, right? ... |
But it's a matter of principle. People have to be punished for wrongdoing, or they will continue to abuse others. If this guy gets himself disbarred from eBay, as many have been in the past, he will abuse no-one else.
That's why when someone is killed the police press charges on behalf of society. If you were mugged, but got your money back, they would still press charges against the mugger if caught.
Years ago I bought a guitar from a guy on eBay who took my money but never sent me the guitar. He had the affront to ask me to send him a case so that he could pack it properly. I complained to eBay and found that he had sold the same guitar several times and was disbarred. I never got my money back, but if the guy had been disbarred earlier I wouldn't have been yet another of his victims.
I actually got a private detective to check on him, and found that he was a penniless student living with his girlfriend. He had no assets and wasn't worth suing. |
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