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Topic: 73 Shobud Pro II D10 Franklin built for Tommy White copedent |
Mark Nix
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Arkansas, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2013 2:52 pm |
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Hi everyone. This is my first post. I just bought my first PSG from forum member Jerry Meek, who was and still is very helpful with any questions. The email from Gene Haugh says it was built with 6 knees and it now has 8. Jerry said the c6th setup is most of Curly Chalker's, but it's not the one I found on the forum, so I figured I would post it up, along with the e9th which has a couple of changes that are different than "normal". If anyone has some insight to these changes, especially Paul, Tommy, Jerry and any Chalker buffs, your replies are greatly appreciated.
I also want to thank everyone on here I have already learned from. I know from previous forums that the search function is a great tool and can usually fix whatever you need without another post.
E9th:
--- P1 - P2 - P3 - LKL2 - LKL(F) - LKR - LKV - RKL - RKR
F# ----------------------------------------------- G
D# ---------------- E ---------------------------------- D/C#
G# ----- A
E ----------- F# ---------- F ------ Eb
B - C# ----- C# ------------------------- Bb
G# ----- A ---------------------------------------------- F#
F# ----------------------------------------------- G
E -------------------------- F ------ Eb
D
B - C# ----------------------------------- Bb
C6th
--- P4 - P5 - P6 - P7 - P8 - P9 - LKR - LKV - RKL - RKR
G ------ F#
E ------------ F ------- Eb -------------- Eb
C ----------------- B --------------------------- B ---- C#
A --------------------------------- G#
G ------ F#
E - D -------- Eb ------ F
C ----------------- B ------- C#
A ---------------------------------------- Ab
F ------ F# ----------------- E
C ------ D ------------------ A
I'm sure some of these are considered "outdated". Jerry said he moved a C6th lever to the E9th LKL that raises the 2nd string. Don't know what it pulled on the C6th, maybe he remembers. And I guess Tommy added the 2 knees that it wasn't built with, whichever those were? Probably both verticals? The LKV on C6th causes a pretty noticeable cabinet raise on all strings on that neck.
Thanks guys!
Mark |
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 27 Mar 2013 6:39 pm
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The E9 look's fabulous!
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A.K.A Chappy. |
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Mark Nix
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2013 7:58 pm
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Thanks Larry. It's sounds amazing. Kind of curious as far as theory goes about the LKL2 that raises the 2nd string and the RKR lowering the 6th string to the same as the 7th string. I saw a post from b0b:
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Pedals down is Am7 at the third fret.
The lever that lowers your E strings is Am7 at the first fret.
The F# strings (1 and 7) are included in both of those positions. Skip the 9th string.
Also, if you have a lever that lowers strings 2 and 9 to C#, it makes an Em7 at the 3rd fret. Skip the F# string for this one. |
So if I lower my 2nd string to the C# I can get a minor 7th but what purpose does the 6 string lowering to F# serve if I cant use it with that minor 7th? Should I lower it further to another note (like maybe E as Franklin does with his vertical lever) or leave it at the F#?
Can't believe the C6th guys haven't chimed in on that neck yet. |
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Tommy White
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Nashville
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Posted 28 Mar 2013 8:31 am
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Hello Mark,
That is a beautiful Sho-Bud you have there. One of the nicest I ever owned.
The guitar was originally built for me by Paul Franklin sr. equipped with 9 floor pedals and 7 knee levers. A few days after recieving the guitar I brought it back to the Sho-Bud store at 416 Broadway in Nashville to have Duane Marrs install the eighth lever which is a vertical for the C6th and cut the floor pedals down as they were too close.
From looking at the copedant you have posted, the set up is nothing like it was originally, as I play the Day set up and the C6th is no where close. My tuning and pedal set up have not changed from what that guitar originally was . Maybe it can be found on the inet somewhere.
Anyway, you made a fine purchase and I hope you have many enjoyable hours with your new horn!
Best,
TW |
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Mark Nix
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2013 10:14 am
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Tommy,
Thanks for the info about the levers and pedals. I can find your e9th chart, but not the c6th one anywhere. Even then the e9th is pretty different from this guitar. Since I'm learning, the emmons-day difference is really of no effect to me and I presume I will learn to play the day setup at some point in case of playing another musicians instrument that's set up that way. As far as the c6th goes, I'm seeing most of these changes on a lot of different people's copedents, so I'm not really sure if I should leave it as is, make minor tuning changes, or take the extreme and buy up some spare parts when available and get someone to change it either to a "current" setup or back to what it was originally, which I guess would be your current c6th tuning?
I'm guessing this is still the way your e9th is though?
http://b0b.com/wp/?page_id=738
Thanks again!
Mark |
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Jeff Heard
From:
Lopez Island, Washington, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2013 10:32 am
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I think this is Tommy's C6th copedent.
Tommy? |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 28 Mar 2013 12:39 pm
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Mark, the E9th chart is correct, however, the
4th floor pedal would be omitted, as it was a guitar
later I decided it should work both necks.
Jeff, yes, that is correct except, the 9th pedal
Lowers 6 a whole tone and lowers 9 a half and there is a
LKL lowering 4&8 a half tone as it is now and as it would have
been originally on Marks guitar. Thank you for posting! |
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