Franklin Guitars

Richard Plummer · From: nashville tennessee

[Note: these replies were removed from a classified ad because they were off topic. -b0b- ]

somebody better grab this guitar.Paul senior will no longer be making steel guitars after his final double neck job as well as several singles on waiting list. No more new Franklin guitars after that one.The price on the black double neck he is finishing up is $12,000 so the price on this single is not out of line.

Carl Kilmer · From: East Central, Illinois

WOW! only $12,000. That's a real bargain if your
either a Doctor, Lawyer or a Politician. Whoa!

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Richard Plummer · From: nashville tennessee

I thought that also.I had no idea on the prices of these guitars.I am sure he heard my gasp hit the floor full force when he told me.I could get 2 brand new g2 mullens for that price and have about $1000 left to spend on something else.

Gary Dunn · From: near Camel City, NC

Dean Holman · From: Branson MO

I'm sorry guys, I love Paul Sr. and Jr.and I I know Franklin's are good guitars, but there are a lot of great musicians who have signature model instruments and limited edition top quality instruments that don't cost $12,000. I think it's great that doctors, lawyers and etc. can afford to buy these instruments, but most musicians even consistent working musicians can't afford these kind of prices. I'm not assuming Franklins have always been $12,000 and I don't know how many people have bought Franklins for $12,000, but in today's market and the many great steel guitars that are on the market, I just don't see the point. I'm all for a person being successful and building a great product and what determines the value of an instrument, but at some point the appearance of greed kicks in and turns off potential buyers, at least for me it does. I don't mean any disrespect at all but I would rather have many good players playing my guitar rather than just a handful of the few in which most are just hobbyist and can afford $12,000. Again, I mean no disrespect and wish much success to the Franklins as well as all builders and musicians.

Jim Cohen · From: Philadelphia, PA

Dean, with all due respect, the man who started this thread is not selling a $12,000 D10. It's unfair to him to use his thread for a rant about a different subject. If folks want to start a separate thread to rant about the price of Franklins, or Bigsby's (price any of those lately?), or any other guitar, there's a place for that on the Forum. But not here, please; it just ain't fair to Jamie.
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Dean Holman · From: Branson MO

I never said anything negative about Jamie's guitar or the price and don't think it's unreasonable. I had an opinion not a rant and I was not the one who started the $12,000 conversation so don't get on to me. I try to have honest opinions without them sounding like rants. If I can't have an opinion regardless where it is posted in replies to what was already posted, I probably don't have much use for this forum anyway. What little I ever post on here no one seems to care anyway. I wish Jamie good luck.

David Mason · From: Cambridge, MD, USA

But he's sold the last one for $12,000 already. What difference does "the appearance" make? He doesn't want to make them anymore.

Dean Holman · From: Branson MO

I guess your right being that it's his last guitar ever being made. I really don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. I'm just trying to stand for the guys who play for a living that can't afford a $12,000 instrument simply because of a name. I think at some point it comes down to a fine line between justifiable and ridiculous. Martin guitar doesn't make an Andy Griffith model guitar anymore and only so many were made, but they didn't sell for $12,000 nor would you have to pay that if you found a used one and sorry but there is a much higher market for guitars than there is for steel guitars. That's just a small example of the point I'm trying to make. I know Martin builds some very expensive guitars as well as much as 40 and 50 thousand dollars for some of their decked out custom guitars. But first and foremost they are in the business of making and selling guitars to everyone who wants a Martin, not just to those who can shell out that kind of money. And I'm sorry to put a label on the people that can fork out that kind of money to buy an instrument, but yes most of them have made their money from other professions obviously more profitable than the music business. Some are good players and some not so hot no matter what kind of guitar they're playing. I just think that it's sad that there is a psychological extortion that you have to pay a certain amount of money for people to think that they are buying the best. On the other hand, if the person feels like such a product would be best for them regardless of the cost and the name, so be it and the more power to them. But don't feel bad if you think something is not worth what the price tag says and that a different brand that costs less won't be as good as the higher priced instrument. Some people get really intimidated by this kind of stuff.

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

i had a lil conservation w: Mr Franklin Sr about some parts for a steeler in Germany
he told me he was surprised to see the prices that his steels were fetchin' knowing how much he sold them for
he figured he'd be better off sellin' them high priced too

Jack Stanton · From: Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey

To paraphrase from what they teach you the first day of real estate licensing class about property value-
How do you determine the true value of a Franklin Steel Guitar? It's whatever a ready, willing and able buyer is willing to pay for it.

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

Supply and demand is also a factor.

I have a Franklin and think its a great guitar and not in the market to buy or sell. Personally I would not pay what the current going price is for used or supposedly what the current price is for a new one.

However, those that can or will pay the price, "go for it".

Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

I don't understand why people keep carping about the price of Franklin guitars. We just went through a 7 pgs. discussion less than 6 mos. ago. http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=234103&highlight=franklin+guitars

What's to gain by fussing about it? The prices are what they are and folks that think they're priced too high should simply move on.

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

You (editorial "you", nobody particular in mind) can fuss all you like about the prices of Franklins, but there are two issues:

1. You're not going to change it, no matter how much you complain.

2. You need to keep your price rants off somebody's For Sale thread. It's really none of your business how much anybody else sells a Franklin for.

If that sounds harsh, be happy I'm not a moderator here. Laughing

This statement kind of gets to me:

Theresa Galbraith · From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

I get the biggest LOL out of these Franklin Guitar threads!
Laughing

Dean Holman · From: Branson MO

Okay guys, here's the deal, I will just continue to play my steel guitar, collect my good pay and benefits and enjoy the comfort of my success as steel player and not get involved with having anykind of an opinion. For what it's worth, I wish Paul Sr. was still building guitars and can sell them for $25,000 as I had said earlier that I wish the Franklins much success. Don't kid yourself though that people don't buy things just for the name as it happens everyday with anything you buy. I'm not saying that Franklin's are not great guitars as I know they are and very worthy of a hefty price. I'm sorry that I cared about what a person spends their money on or how much they spend. My take on the supply and demand cliche is that if there is a market for something, that means to me the demamd is already there. They use that excuse for the gas prices. Well, everyone was driving gas guzzlers on top of that when gas was a dollar a gallon and we have just as much oil now as we did then probably more, so I'm a little sick of hearing supply and demand crap. For what it's worth, I have the money to buy a dozen Franklins but It's just my prerogative to not spend that kind of money I guess. I apologize to Jamie for making a reply to someone else's price rant Dave. Seems like everyone else was more concerned about than Jamie in which he hasn't scolded me. And another thing too, if I really wanted Jamie's Franklin, I would pay the 6 grand instead of the 5000 he's asking for. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was too cheap.

Dickie Whitley · Posted 19 Mar 2013 3:03 pm

Lee Dassow · From: Jefferson, Georgia USA

Evidently people want them. Sounds like a 1964
candy apple red fender stratocaster. People want
Them. Tennessee Lee
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Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

Dean, you can have any opinion you want and state it anywhere on this forum except someone else's For Sale ad. B0b's rule, not mine, but I totally agree with it.

The other thing is that stating strong opinions, as you did, is frankly an invitation to others to state equally strong opinions on the other side, which is what I did. That is basically Newton's Third Law, and I think it tends to apply to peoples' reactions about as much as the reactions of inanimate physical objects.

On point - there are no doubt some people who buy things just for the name. But to sit back and say that the only (or even main) reason people buy Franklin guitars for many thousands of dollars is for the name is just not true, and that is what you said:

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

My only beef is that he won't make any more 12s.
And I don't see a problem with the new price rising to reflect the used, sounds like a better place for the money to go.
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Mike Sweeney · From: Nashville,TN,USA

I'll say one thing Dave. Your Franklin sure is a good sounding guitar. It was fun hearing Paul Sr. give us the lowdown on the pickups and such. Very cool visit.
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Tony Glassman · From: The Great Northwest

Bill L. Wilson · From: Oklahoma, USA

If you want the price of a Franklin to go down, everyone chip in and buy me the 12000dollar model, and I guarantee next week they'd be worthless. That's what happens when I buy some hi-dollar piece of equipment, that's supposed to be the cats meow! I'll stick to my old Emmons, it looks just like a Franklin, but sounds like an Emmons!

Dean Holman · From: Branson MO

Yeah Dave, your grasping now buddy. I've already made my apologies to Jamie and held high regards to the Franklins. You don't need to scold me anymore cause your making it look like my opinion is some personal attack against you. Like I said before and I'll say again, I'm not the one who pointed out the $12,000 for a Franklin rant so please, jump on the one's that did. Now there's even a doctor saying that he can't afford a Franklin. I wrote something nice about Paul Sr. on my last post and wished he continued to build guitars and would be great if he could sell them for $25,000. But let me fill you in on something, I've helped build guitars before and have had input as to what I think makes a great guitar. I know what kind of cost that goes into a guitar and the work and preparation that goes into a guitar. I've learned many things from top builders and players one being Jimmy Crawford in which we were neighbors and spent many long nights and many many discussions especially about costs and designs and the time and labor and attention to detail. Jimmy is not the only one that I have spent alot of time with having the same discussions and this discussion as well. I've worked with many top artist one being Ricky Skaggs, Tanya Tucker, Kenny Chesney, The Desert Rose Band and Joe Nichols to name a few. So don't tell me what's true and not. I've just chosen to not sugar coat what I think and how I feel about something. I'm not a bitter person, I've gotten along with anyone and everyone that I've ever worked with and worked for. I'm not arrogant and not one to toot my own horn. I'm a huge fan of Paul Franklin, I've been to Paul Sr's. house a few times and have enjoyed many conversations with him and hearing wonderful stories about Paul Jr.and his successes. So I'm done talking about this as I have spoke my peace. I'm not trying to make you agree with me. So pick on someone that doesn't have a legitimate opinion about something other than just to gripe. Also, I'm not even going waste my breath to explain what I meant by psychological extortion. I wouldn't expect you to understand it anyway even if I explained to you. Peace brother.

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

Mike, you're right - that Franklin is a great guitar and it was a very nice and illuminating visit with the Franklins.

Dean - I'm done except to say that, IMHO, there's no "extortion" of any kind going on in the "For Sale" section and I'm not "picking on you". You made some strong statements and I disagreed with certain aspects of them. That's all. You absolutely have a right to state any opinion you like, I don't question that in the slightest. But so do I, and the term "extortion" is a very loaded term and likely to produce strong reactions. When you make strong statements publicly like this, you should not expect to be immune from dissent.

Carry on, folks.

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