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Topic: I am in Need of an Unusual Tuning |
Mike Mantey
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Eastern Colorado, USA
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 8:06 am |
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Tyler that works for us is getting a Discovery 3&4 and he does not play steel or country music.
So does anybody know how to set up this steel to make sense for a guitar player to play rock, blues, ect.
Looking for some kind of tuning chart to get us started on this venture.
Thank You. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 8:08 am
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| Look at some of the sacred steel pedal tunings. Chuck Campbell would be a good start. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 9:48 am
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It looks like it's a S-10 with only 3 FP and 4 KL so I'd set it up like this....
Basic tuning...
F#
D#
G#
E
B
G#
F#
E
B
E...
LKL would lower 2nd string to C# and raise string 7 to G
LKR would lower strings 2 and 8 to D
RKL would raise strings 4 and 8 to F
RKR would lower strings 4 and 8 to D#
P1 would lower strings 3 and 6 to G
P2 would raise strings 5 and 10 to C#
P3 would raise strings 3 and 5 to A...
With this tuning you have the "power chords" on the bottom three strings and most of the changes you'd find on rock records featuring pedal steel plus you'd be able to do "slide guitar" things like what Duane Alman did.........JH in Va.
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 10:09 am
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| The conventional E9 tuning and copedant is a superb setup for most musical endeavors, I have used it for rock, blues, classical and jazz music, in addition to traditional country. Any music that utilizes the twelve-tone scale and conventional european harmony structures can be played on the E9 quite comprehensively. I'm not sure why you think it would not work for this new player, certainly it would seem an advantage to learn a system that is more-or-less 'conventional' IMHO. |
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Michael Hummel
From:
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 11:05 am
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| On a 3+4, I'd set up RKR to lower both G#'s to G. It's a real important change. |
I'm glad this came up. On my Sho~Bud, the LKR raises the F#s to G. I've seen lots of folks on here sing the virtues of lowering the G#s to G. Should I change mine to that?
I've gotten used to the pedals down dom7 by raising the F#s to G. It would take but a short time to adjust the grip for the change -- but what else would this buy me?
Mike
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Bud Angelotti
From:
Larryville, NJ, USA
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 12:00 pm
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What Dave said !
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| The conventional E9 tuning and copedant is a superb setup for most musical endeavors, I have used it for rock, blues, classical and jazz music, in addition to traditional country. Any music that utilizes the twelve-tone scale and conventional european harmony structures can be played on the E9 quite comprehensively. I'm not sure why you think it would not work for this new player, certainly it would seem an advantage to learn a system that is more-or-less 'conventional' IMHO. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 6:33 pm psg
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| It's already there in the standard E9th set up. Lower E's and it's B6th, raise G#'s and it's A6th, I think it's A6th. Release everything and it completes the circle right back into E9th. Lower 5 & 10 and slide back two frets and there's plenty of low end E or C phrasing on 6,8 & 10 especially. Plenty of hammer on positions at frets 1, 2 & 3 also. In E mode or A. Either one. Unlimited. Discovery looks like a great guitar. I chose between a Discovery & ETS recently. Hope Del is doing ok. God bless. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 8 Mar 2013 7:12 pm
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What is Tyler's job at Mullen?
Just curious.
I would recommend a U12 of some flavor...
Does he like Robert Randolph's playing? |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 10:08 am
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| this will be an interesting story to follow. he doesn't like country. he doesn't play steel. he's buying a new steel with custom set-up. he'll basically be starting in the dark with an instrument with no learning material (to speak of) available. this will be fun. please keep us informed. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 10:14 am
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oh, and add a steel manufacturer who doesn't even know how to set up a tuning for some kind of unknown music to be performed...this is interesting.
this sets the stage for the natural law of evolution.
like legs on a fish.
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Gordon Hartin
From:
Durham, NC
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 10:51 am
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Calling Zane King...
Seems like Zane has a unique setup that might be a good start.
GH |
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Karlis Abolins
From:
(near) Seattle, WA, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 11:56 am
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I'm with b0b on his tuning with a slight modification. I have an F# on the 7th string. I use a knee lever to raise it to G# (I've also lowered it to E). That way you can get the blues scale starting with the 7th string and P2 down. I lower my G# to G on a knee instead of P4. I have the knees slightly modified because of my Day setup. I also current have the C pedal on P3. I don't have the E to D lower.
This tuning covers a lot of ground and I get great power chords with the knee lever (skip strings 1 and 2).
I call my tuning a modified Tyack tuning.
Karlis |
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David Higginbotham
From:
Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 12:53 pm
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| I like bOb's suggested tuning enough that I may try it myself with a couple of personal changes! |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 1:08 pm
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"for a guitar player to play rock, blues, ect. "
I have one S-10, 6 & 2, set up for Rock and Blues. It's in a variation of bottleneck/slide G tuning, and it works very well. But it's considered sacrilegious here on the Forum. My other steels are standard, but the G tuned one is a blast to play!
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Bud Angelotti
From:
Larryville, NJ, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2013 2:52 pm
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Yes starting from scratch would be such a cool thing-can you do it more than once?
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Mike Mantey
From:
Eastern Colorado, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2013 1:54 pm
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Thank You for the comments. I think we have settled on something similiar to what B0b posted.
Tyler has been with us for around 4 years. He started as the polisher and now can do most things in the shop. His primary role now is cases, mica bodies, and assists in assembly.
As for the need for this tuning we have done some research, most people that come to me and want a guitar has their tuning chart. Tyler plays bass, drums, and guitar, and obviously has wanted to play steel since he started.
We have hung out with Robert on many occations, he does like his playing I think, not really what he is going to play, but Robert's setup is much more evolved than a 3&4 10 string, that is the reason we where looking for some ideas.
We have talked with several people and can figure it out, but input from experience in this setup is valuable and a great learning tool. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 10 Mar 2013 4:14 pm
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| it actually might help create a good new market for this style of thought, which i think will be good. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2013 4:18 pm
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You might want to get rid of the high F# and have a low G# instead. It sorta makes more sense that way. I only had the high F# because I wanted a few E9th licks.
Also, it wouldn't hurt to swap LKL and RKR if it feels better.
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Mike Mantey
From:
Eastern Colorado, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2013 4:40 pm
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We will do as we are told by the customer. When a new guy comes in to steel and needs advice, I will look to the forum for advice. There is more knowledge here, by some, that is truely admired by the younger generation and we are grateful for all.
Together we are 'ALL' the Steel Guitar Community! |
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