Breaks my Heart!

Neil Lang · From: Albert Lea, Minnesota, USA

It breaks my heart to see a perfectly good D10 thats been "Hacked up" into a SD10. Sad

Anyone else have a problem with that?
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chris ivey · From: california (deceased)

Nick Reed · From: Russellville, KY USA

Yes I feel the same way Whoa!

Bobby Burns · From: Tennessee, USA

Yes but it breaks my back to carry all the hardware for both necks!

Ken Pippus · From: Langford, BC, Canada

Vote with your feet. I'll never buy one. They sit in the for sale classification and don't move.

Depressing, really.

Roual Ranes · From: Atlanta, Texas, USA

Such a waste.

Daniel McKee · From: Corinth Mississippi

I cant stand to see it but thats just my opinion.I personally think if you want an sd10 dont hack up a d10 but sometimes people have a guitar they like and dont play c6th and that added weight is a problem.I guess really the only time I really hate to see it is like on old Shobud guitars because I like them so much.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I did it because I had an MSA D-10 and a line on a cheap 12 with only 5 pedals, and I wanted a loaded up uni. I'm happy and So's the cat who bought the SD
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Mark Eaton · Posted 6 Mar 2013 7:27 pm

Why don't you ask Lloyd Green if it broke his heart many years ago when he took his Sho-Bud D-10 to Shot Jackson and had him remove the back neck and put a pad on there resulting in what was essentially the original LDG? He was barely using the back neck and it got rid of about 18 lbs.
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Bobby D. Jones · From: West Virginia, USA

It does not bother me, If someone has a reason, because of weight or such strip a classic double down. As long as they carefully remove all the fittings, mark and store all the parts in a sealed box. And if they sell the guitar, the box goes with it. Put a Pad on it without drilling any holes in the body, Use existing holes. I have a MSA D-10 that was converted to a S-10 with pad. Then was reserected to a D-10 because all the parts were stored at the strip down to S-10. It shows no signs of it the conversion.

Asa Brosius · Posted 6 Mar 2013 8:02 pm

i have a stringmaster triple neck that sounds better than any single or double i've played, but i'd happily trade 'down' to a double that sounded right. this however takes time/travel/money- all scarce these days-and at the risk of getting something that doesn't sound as good. from that perspective, i can empathize with those who do the d10/sd10 conversions. however, when i was shopping for a nice d10 a few months back, i got a little bitter about it-

Daniel McKee · From: Corinth Mississippi

I mean it only bothers me when it cannot be put back in its original condition.If the neck that has been taken off can be put back Im fine with it.

Jim Palenscar · From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

Actually I do that frequently. 10 string guitars (in my shop) out sell D10's 20/1 and, when done right, are not "hacked up" at all. They look great and you lose roughly 2#/pedal not including the keyhead, neck, and changer weight and that is a pretty big factor for lottsa folks who have no interest in the back neck anyway. I think it's a great option for those guitars.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

I'm guilty - I took the back-neck hardware off my old ZB for the same reason. I wasn't playing any C6th and that guitar weighed a ton! It still wasn't exactly lightweight when I'd finished!

However, even though I have no idea where it is now (Gerry Hogan sold it through his shop in the '80s) I now wish I hadn't done it. I was pretty offhand about steels then and it was just an idle pursuit. I figured it was mine and I could do what I liked with it; I wouldn't do it today.

That's the guitar I'm playing on that notorious clip with George Harrison (The Pirate Song) - a pretty steel in dark brown and maple with zig-zag inlays. I believe it was also a good-sounding guitar - just not under my hands!
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David Mason · From: Cambridge, MD, USA

I wonder where all the extra Sho-Bud, Emmons and MSA parts that people sell all the time and other people buy all the time so they can fix up what they want come from? I'm sure those who find this morally offensive would never buy parts from a backstreet butcher abortionist like that.... really, really sure! Laughing

Michael Hummel · From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I understand where the sentiment is coming from -- I'm a lover of fine instruments for sure.

However, if somebody tried to tell me what to do with MY guitar, I would quickly tell them what they could do with theirs!

Smile

Mike
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Mark Eaton · Posted 7 Mar 2013 11:08 am

I've never really bought into the argument that it's "sacrilege" to cut up and modify an old pedal steel like a Sho-Bud, because it is not a rare or unusual project and seems to happen on a fairly regular basis.

On the other hand it is "sacrilege" to modify or refinish something like a vintage Martin or Gibson acoustic, unless it is in structurally bad shape and unplayable. Same goes for vintage Les Pauls, Strats, and Teles.

We have had many threads here where we have oohed and ahhed some of the beautiful restoration and refinishing jobs on steel guitars like old Sho-Buds.

So why is it acceptable on older steel guitars but not on standard guitars? One could say that vintage standard guitars are worth a lot more so that makes it uncool to do so - but people restore old cars all the time like '57 Chevys to make them worth a lot of money. A rust bucket '57 Bel Air isn't worth much until one goes through all the restoration work, and neither is a rust bucket version of a Sho-Bud.

So hacking up a D-10 doesn't seem to be anything like modifying an old Martin or Tele, most would say it's the desirable thing to do to restore the Bud. And since it has only a fraction the value of the vintage Martin I don't see it as any big deal to cut it in half and make into a guitar that someone will get good use from.
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John Russell · From: Austin, Texas

I guess I don't have the "proper respect" for musical instruments that some folks do. If you have a mint condition pre-war Martin or '50s era Strat, OK I see the point. Those things have lived long enough to deserve preservation. The do have a wonderful vibe and time really enhances their tone.

Pedal steels are a little different. First, they're real heavy and a D-10 (something I've never owned) seems like something that's evolved past it's usefulness. (Full disclosure: I'm a 12-string universal player). I firmly believe in keeping the rig as minimal as possible. An S10 guitar, in the right hands, sounds great. I won't argue tone comparisons between brands or models--that's a dead end. If you're listening to the subtle differences of those criteria, and not the not-so-subtle differences in the performance, you just don't hear music the way I do. Fair enough?

If you have a great guitar and you don't want to part with it but you just can't justify hauling around all that extra hardware, why not modify it to suit your needs? I've seen some very neat conversions and the owners don't care what anyone thinks. And I like J. Palenscar's comments. Most of us have tweaked the setups on our beloved PSGs so why not modify a little further and keep that old friend who's been so good to you. Most of my standard guitars have been modified somewhat; electric guitars with pickup swaps, acoustic guitars with fingerboard modifications and the occasional pearl inlay enhancement. I think the double to single conversions are reversible anyway and hey, there are enough pedal steels around to keep everybody happy. I say loosen up on this.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Mark, the OP did specify "perfectly good D-10." so basket cases don't count.
But I still see nothing wrong with it.
Guitars that better match the owners' needs will get played more
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Lyle Bradford · From: Gilbert WV USA (deceased)

What Michael Hummel said. I did it to a Legrande 2 and love it. I don't even like to listen to much c6th playing and have no use for one. I did keep every single screw so if I ever change my mind I could put it all back. To each his own. If anyone wants to give me 9k for it I will have a pro put it back together again and let you have it! Rolling Eyes

Mark Eaton · Posted 7 Mar 2013 12:27 pm

Frank Freniere · From: The First Coast

Alan Brookes · From: Brummy living in Southern California

Taking the hardware off one of the necks is vandalism. If you want a single-neck instrument, buy a single-neck instrument. There are plenty of them around. Rolling Eyes

Jimmy Lewis · From: Harrisonburg, Louisiana, USA

If the guitar belongs to you do what you want with it.

Jimmy Lewis · From: Harrisonburg, Louisiana, USA

If the guitar belongs to you do what you want with it.

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