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Karen Sarkisian
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Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2013 7:17 pm |
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Did he have the E9 neck on his shobud on the back instead it the front of the guitar.all these country vids I see him playing on the back neck which is usually the C6 neck right ?? It sounds like e9 to me
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Roger Guyett
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San Francisco, Ca.
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Posted 17 Jan 2013 9:20 pm
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Yes - I think you're correct.
He played E9 on the back neck and a version of G dobro tuning on front neck.
I don't think he played that second neck much. |
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Karen Sarkisian
From:
Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 5:06 am
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Cool thanks I love the Moon !!
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Mark Draycott R.I.P.
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 6:57 am
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After reading some posts about Mooney, I decided to look up his tuning.
I found one at Steel Guitar's of Canada site.
I am intrigued about this setup.
http://www.steelguitarcanada.com/tuning-methods-E9th-ralph-mooney.html
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Adam Sorber
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 10:35 am
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I have studied mooney's setup for some time. He liked the E9 tuning on the back neck so he could see the pedals while he played. I only ever saw him use the open "G" tuning on the front neck for the Dukes of Hazzard theme song.
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Adam Sorber
Sho Bud PROII custom D-10
Sho Bud PROII custom SD-10
Fender Super Twin Reverb
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 12:21 pm
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| I actually put a Mooney setup (5p+1k) on the back neck of my Sho-Bud back in the days when I had two of them. It is very hard to get used to when you are used to standard E9. I dropped it after a short while. I think a lot of the Mooney stuff can be played on a standard E9 tuning. Remember, he invented his own tuning and never knew anything different. |
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 12:37 pm
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I have not owned an early Sho-Bud that did not have the E9 on the inside neck.
It had to be there. And, if Sho-Bud was one of the first production companies to feature an E9 neck, they probably had some influence on what players looked for.
The neck selector switches (pickup on/off tap switches) were not on the endplate, they were between the necks. If you had more than six pedals, the cross shafts for the C6 pedals 7, and 8 would be blocked by the neck selector switch hanging under the cabinet. If you placed the E9 neck near the player, only the first three cross shafts would travel the width of the steel and all the C6 cross shafts could be short and miss the selector switches.
Moving the switches to the endplate, as on later Sho-Buds, made it possible for an 8 pedal guitar to have the E9 on the audience side.
Here is an example of what I am talking about. The guitar with dark undersides is a 1950s cabinet end that used to be a long scale D8 and it was converted during the Fingertip Era to be a D-10. You can see the Fingertip parts underneath with the old Permanent changer. But you can see how a seventh or eighth cross shaft would hit the pickup switches between the necks. The natural maple guitar is a 1957 and it too was updated from a long scale D-8 to a D9, probably in 1959, and it still has the E9 on the near side.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 12:45 pm
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| I never knew that. This is some most interesting info, thanks Chris. |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 12:52 pm
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The black bottomed cabinet end is not set up, as I cannot determine if I want it E9 inside or outside, if I want it 6/0 or 8/4, or whether I changer out the switches in the middle of the neck to ones inset into the cabinet wood. Whether I put Permanent parts, Fingertip parts or Pro II parts underneath. Or, whether I keep the guitar at all. It is a pretty cabinet end that was refinished a couple years ago by AJ who did the factory refinish in the early 1960s.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 1:15 pm
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| This looks so beautiful. The old Permanents are my favorite Sho-Bud guitars. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2013 3:04 pm
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Chris,
It looks as if my '59 was also converted.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Jan 2013 11:08 am
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Does anybody have the copedant for Ralph's front neck copedant?
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 20 Jan 2013 6:59 pm
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"Moon's top neck (from the top) GDBGDBGDBG w/ only one pedal... ped 1 3rd string B to D
most unusual.... as far as I know"
from barry horowitz in a previous post |
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Fred Jack
From:
Bastrop, Texas 78602
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Posted 21 Jan 2013 1:30 pm tuning
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| Moon did not have an E9 on either neck. No chromatics. He said it looked like an A6 to him. |
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 21 Jan 2013 4:00 pm
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well technically he has an F# an octave above his lowest string E which is a 9th
but it is not the typical high F#(wo a pedal)above the 8th string E on the "standard" E9
if he thought of it as an A6 then the G#s would be M7s
kind of unusual for an open tuning but hey sneaky pete told me his AB pedals changed his tuning 90 degrees |
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