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Topic: george L pickup on 1974 msa classic E-9th neck |
Lee Dassow
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Posted 4 Jan 2013 8:36 pm |
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Hi GUYS; This guitar already had a george L pickup on the E9th neck, the problem I got is the wiring is screwed up. The C6th neck is always on
no matter where you switch the three way switch.
The george L pickup has two wires coming out the bottom. three wires in each pair,and the shielded ground. White, black and ground. I had to unsolder everything, because it was such a rats nest. Theres a 500 ohm volume control that does basically nothing. Plus the pickup looks to close to the strings. Anybody ever wire one of these george l's. I'm thinking it must have a boost circuit. I don't know why people just don't leave them alone The C6th neck has A Super Sustain pickup and it sounds just fine. Any help would be appreciated LEE
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Jerry Overstreet
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Posted 5 Jan 2013 6:21 am
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Is the GL one of those with the 5 sounds capability? If so, this is an earlier thread re: wiring those. They can be wired for single sounds as well. http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=206994&highlight=george++pickup+wiring
Switch wise for single sound pickups, 3 position mini-bat handle style on, on, on switch should have a hot lead from the pickup to either end for ea. one with the switch bridged on the center poles. I'll have to find a diagram.
The control may be for tone rather than volume.
Below is a link to a D10 wiring diagram w/tone control for Mullen, but it would be the same. Hope some of this helps.
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 5 Jan 2013 7:12 am
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Another diagram from Jim P.
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please pardon my humble MSPaint impression of what I attempted to explain
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Lee Dassow
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Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2013 10:14 am george L pickup on 1974 msa classic E-9th neck
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Hi jerry, I've got two leads coming out of that pickup, Three wires in each lead, I dont think that lower diagram will help me. I dont know what kind this george L pickup is? I can barely see on top that it says george L. I,m going to try george L's website. Thanks Lee
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Lee Dassow
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Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2013 9:03 pm george L pickup on 1974 msa classic E-9th neck
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Jerry, I looked at the diagram. The wiring on the george L pickup is so rotten, Breaks a lot, Very hard to work with, also its short to the back of the guitar. I've decided to go with a differant pickup. Maybe a wallace true tone. The pickup pocket has been routed out so the george L would fit. I'll need something the same size.Any suggestions, Maybe a single coil, something with just two wires. LEE
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 5 Jan 2013 11:57 pm
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Sorry, wish I could be more help Lee. I'm not sure how the MSA pickups mount. If you could post a pic of the pickup and cavity, it might give us an idea of what you need as a replacement style.
Aftermarket pickups usually come in 2 different applications.
"Wide Mount" style mounts with 4 screws, 2 on either side.
Narrow Mount style has 2 screws in one end and 1 in the other. Without seeing the Geo L's you have, I don't know which mount pattern you have. Some older MSA's wouldn't accept either without modification. Sometimes an alternate mounting method would be necessary.
Any of the replacement pickups should work depending on what your guitar cavity will accept.
Truetones are widely used and respected single coil pickups.
Same with Bill Lawrence, Telonics, Tone aligners etc. in humbucker styles. Any of these should come with wiring instructions. Shouldn't be a major deal with either single coil or 'bucker.
Of course there's nothing wrong with an original MSA model like your other one if you can find a good one and the pickup cavity and mounting area haven't been butchered. Probably save a few bucks too.
If you like the way it sounds, you might check the ohms value on it and try to find one of the same resistance.
Good luck getting it ironed out. |
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Lee Dassow
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Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2013 8:49 am george L pickup on 1974 msa classic E-9th neck
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hi jerry, It is definately the five sound pickup
without that special switch. Is that some kind of
rotary switch needed to get the five sounds out of it? I"ll try and up load a picture of it. I've never tried to do that. About a 1/4 inch of the neck was routed out to make the george L fit.
Before I took everything apart,the pickup was very trebley, probably because it didn't have that capacitor hooked up, and that rotary switch. No matter where you switched the three way switch the c6th neck was always on, whew You need a keen eye when you buy these instruments.
LEE
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2015 Mullen D-10 Royal Precision 9x8,-1990 BMI S-10 5x5-1972 Silver face Fender pro Reverb amp,-1965 Fender Super Reverb Amp,- 1966 Fender Showman Amp Two 15" JBL speakers,- 2006 65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue Amp,- 1982 Peavey Session 500 amp,-1978 Peavey Session 400,Goodrich Volume Pedals,John Pearse Steel Bars, |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Posted 6 Jan 2013 9:25 am
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Yes, to have the 5 sounds you have to have the 6 position rotary switch but, it can be wired for single sound on the 3 position switch by following the directions at the bottom of that diagram. That would be wiring both coils together to work as one as in their original humbucking pickups.
Obviously, the wiring is incorrect if you are getting C6 sound in all switch selections. Probably the cause of your poor thin sound as well.
Either that or your switch is bad but I suspect it's the wiring routing from what you describe.
The cap out of the circuit wouldn't make it sound weak and thin, rather it would just sound like the tone control was wide open.
Maybe some professional help will look in on your post and explain things more clearly than perhaps I can. |
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Lee Dassow
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Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2013 11:30 am george L pickup on 1974 msa classic E-9th neck
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jerry, I got the switch working ok now, Although I may have to change it. I got one set of leads hooked up and Im going to tie the other set in like you said. The volume in the pickup is considerably lower than the super sustain hooking up black and white. Red would not work. I apppreciate the help LEE
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