Push-pull tuner trivia questions

Eric Philippsen · From: Central Florida USA

Just wondering'..........

What year did Emmons make the change from the small "butterbean" Kluson tuners to the tulip-styled tuners?

What year did Emmons make the change from the "very-wide" pedals to the "wide" pedals?

Last, when was the change made from the wide pedals to the LeGrande narrow pedals?

Thanks.

Olaf Wiese · From: Near Berlin, Germany

Bump,
because I would also like to know Smile

Thanks for looking
Olaf

Mike Kowalik · From: San Antonio,Texas

Let me preface my response by saying that in no way do I consider myself an expert on Emmons push-pulls....but I'll be glad to relate to you what I've seen and read.

I don't think there was a specific time regarding the tuners.All guitars from the 60's that I have ever seen have had the butter bean tuners.It seems that guitars from about 1974 to 1976 or so had either the butter bean or the tulip style tuners.....it was as if Emmons wasn't sure which to use on a regular basis.

I think the pedals were narrowed in the late 70's and then from about 1981 until the end of production(about 1984 or 1985)the LeGrande style pedals were used.

Hopefully someone with more definite info(like Herb Steiner,Chris Lucker,etc.)will see this post and post.

Paul Sutherland · From: Placerville, California

My 83 push-pull has Le Grande pedals and butter bean tuners.

Lynn Stafford · From: Ridgefield, WA USA

I'll offer some "ballpark" estimates to Eric's questions below in the dark red text:

Duane Reese · Posted 27 Dec 2012 4:17 pm

I had a 1977 D-10 with Sperzel tuners and rounded pedals, if that helps.
That's actually how the one I have now is too, but I don't know what year it is.

Chris Lucker · From: Los Angeles, California USA

The first Emmons guitars I know of with tulip Klusons were in 1967 when some guitars were issued with the super fancy Tulip Klusons with the cast "waffle back" cases. Only a few guitars were made with these and appear to be right around the time the D started being used in the serial number as the guitars I have seen with these tuners were both 100x D. The tuners for both of these guitars I refer to have been replaced with vintage butterbean button Klusons.

What most people refer to as the wide Emmons pedal is actually the fourth version of the Emmons pedal. As far as I can tell from my experience collecting very early Emmons guitars, Emmons used four different versions of the wide pedals. I think they switched to the first version of the narrow cast pedal in 1973, or maybe 1972. For a little while Emmons made narrow pedal spacing with wide pedals (fitting ten cross shaft apron bushings in the same space where they formerly fit nine bushings). Then, they started making narrower pedals for the narrow spacing. My guess is that this change was in 1973, although maybe 1974. Soon after this switch the shorter Emmons pedals appeared -- shorter meaning the length of the shaft was shortened to make the pedals easier to use with a single neck guitar.
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Olaf Wiese · From: Near Berlin, Germany

Thank you very much, a lot of information, which I do not know.
I have a 1971 D-10 "fat-back", Kluson-Tuners with butterbean and (very) wide pedals.
Happy New Year to all

Chris Lucker · From: Los Angeles, California USA

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

I have an old p/p guitar that once belonged to Doug Jernigan and it has 11 foot pedals.

Doug Beaumier · From: Northampton, MA

Skip Edwards · From: LA,CA

I bought a '76 Loafer - in '76 - that had butterfly tuners.

Jimmy Douglas · From: Raceview, Queensland, Australia

This old thread has some interesting information

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008687.html

FWIW, I like the the 69-70 Fatbacks with the two cabinet rails on the body and the eight pedal spacing with the wide pedals. Hey, FWIW I like em all!!!!

Herb Steiner · From: Spicewood TX 78669

There's quite a bit of misinformation on Rainer's post referenced in the previous post, especially on the pre-1967 guitars. Just sayin...
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Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

My 1975 has the tulip looking tuners, is that normal?
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Herb Steiner · From: Spicewood TX 78669

John Swain · From: Winchester, Va

HERB,what year we're D10 fatbacks made? Maybe 69-74 ?

Olaf Wiese · From: Near Berlin, Germany

Chris,
i have sent you a PM.

Herb Steiner · From: Spicewood TX 78669

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