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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Posted 19 Dec 2012 3:57 pm |
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I would like to hear some real blues played with lap steel but not bottle neck open G or E with overdrive or Freddie Roulette but I would like some cleaner swing blues (jump blues / west coast blues) played with a 6th tuning and good technique.
I like delta blues and chicago blues but I would like to start a swing-blues band to play classics like Louis Jordan and T-Bone Walker on the steel with C6 and A6. It seems relatively easy to play horn riff with these tunings but playing bluesy swing lead seems a little harder so I would like to ear some to get confidence that its possible!
Thanks
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 19 Dec 2012 5:22 pm
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I play jazz blues all the time in C6/A7 and C13 and it's a challenge for me to learn as many variations on the progression as I can find. There are dozens.
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 19 Dec 2012 6:02 pm
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| Have you some recording Mike? |
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Dennis Smith
From:
Covington, Georgia, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2012 8:13 pm
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Hi forum member Solomon Hofer has a version of Basin St Blues on youtube listed as Basin St Blues on steel guitar by Nate Hofer. He's playing a T8 Fender Stringmaster. Is this the music style you are looking for?
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Chris Gabriel
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2012 10:05 pm Blue Monk
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Hey dude, here's my video "blue monk" in F. It's a jazz blues, but I think I laid down some bluesy swing leads. I youtube, you decide...
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Chris Gabriel
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Oregon, USA
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J Fletcher
From:
London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 6:35 am
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Well there was a link to Tom Morrell playing some nice single note blues, posted a week ago or so.
Mike Neer posted the link. Lots of swing ideas there. Though watching it could be a bit demoralizing, no pun intended, he's so good!
I don't know of anybody playing the T-Bone Walker guitar style on steel, you might have to come up with a dedicated tuning to play that...Jerry |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 7:16 am
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| Thanks guys, you are great player, Mike will be the first jazzman on steel! Lot of western swing player are great but for what Im looking for I think that there are no example to follow, its frighting because Im always asking myself if its possible, it hard to have the authority of a guitar or saxophone on steel, but the good thing is that it leave all the room for creativity, to develop my really own style. |
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J Fletcher
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London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 7:25 am
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| If Tom Morrell had sat in with Louis Jordan, no problem I'm sure. He plays a lot of the same ideas that Jordan's band plays. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 7:29 am
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Ho sure! He was a monster! and he have class and tone.
But I'm looking for a little meaner sound, good thing with lap steel is that the tone is closer to a guitar than a pedal steel, and if you plug it in a little tube amp you can have a sweet clean sound to a little overdriven bluesy sound.
I think I will use my Richenbaker DC-16 in my Gibson BR-9 amp for this project, Now I have to practice, practice and practice! |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 9:12 am
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| Jump blues and jazz blues tend to have a good deal more chromaticism when played on instruments with frets and keys and valves, a point it is easy to overlook when you just slide to wherever you're going. And solos that start at maximum howl don't have much to build up to, in my experience. Less is, occasionally, more... |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 9:23 am
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There have been others who have played jazz on steel, but the thing is, everyone has a different vision of what jazz is. I'm more interested in playing more modern music rather than swing era and bebop stuff--I like the openness and the more complex harmonies. I think you have to go through swing and bebop, though, if you want to learn jazz. Also, swing in particular is very conducive to this instrument. There has already been a lot of steel guitar history with regard to that style.
Stylistically, it is so subjective that you really have to spend the time to develop your own voice and unlock the sounds you hear in your own head. When you say "play jazz blues", to me that has so many permutations, and I keep a notebook with a list of tunes that are variations on that structure.
Like I said, I have been working on playing blues just about every day, since it really is the heart of playing jazz. Minor blues, 12 bar blues, "Rhythm" changes--all essential. I haven't recorded any of it, though. I have transcribed and tabbed some very cool heads, though--I was going to make Vol. 2 of the Bebop book all blues heads.
Anyway, I have some time off beginning next week. I'll record some blues.
As far as sound and tone go, since I really like to use a lot of close harmonies and tension, I find that a clean sound like you've been hearing on my recordings lately is really what I like. I almost eschew any kind of distortion unless I'm going for something very specific. I love the tone that my Clinesmith gives me through a nice amp. I haven't changed my strings in almost 1 1/2 years.
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 10:14 am
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Go onto my website at the Steel Guitar Network, and I have several blues numbers posted there., all in C6 There's nothing complex, they're just me singing and accompanying myself on a miscellany of instruments recorded one track at a time.
After you get to the website (below) music will start playing within a minute, and you can click on about a dozen numbers on the lower left-hand side.
http://steelguitarnetwork.com/profile/AlanFBrookes
I would recommend that everyone create a web page on the Steel Guitar Network. It's free and well organized. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 10:44 am
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| Yes Mike its true that Jazz Blues can include a lot of style, personally I'm more in the blues and swing style than jazz, I don't even understand a thing about bebop so imagine! Thanks to point me your stuff Alan, the cool thing with blues and jazz is that you can really have your own style, I will fing my own, thanks guys it give me hope! |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 11:26 am
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You should check out more Joaquin Murphey for swing. Doesn't get better than that.
Herb has a few you can listen, including one of my favorites, The Kid With A Rip In His Pants http://www.herbsteiner.com/entrance.html
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 20 Dec 2012 1:52 pm
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| Yes Joaquin Murphey is my favorite steel player! I really love Vance Terry to. |
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Alexander Stepanenko
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Moscow, Russia
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 6:41 am
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| Yeah! Thats great, thank you Alexander! Thats exactly what I'm looking for. |
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 11:01 am How 'bout St. Louis Blues?
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Does St. Louis Blues in C6th by JERRY BYRD.........
count?
I think it is a fabulous arrangement!
What say you? |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 11:23 am
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| Sure Ray! I really love the Jerry Byrd bluesy songs, I learn is Byrd Boogie and I use is ideas a lot when I play blues, is use of minor chords (minor 5th and 6th substitution) is really nice. |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 4:47 pm
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C6 is Amin7, so the tuning lends itself well to the blues in a minor key.  |
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Dave Bader
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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James Quillian
From:
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2012 4:58 pm
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I guess it comes down to what constitutes blues in one's opinion.
C&W players usually have a sing song quality in the blues they try to play. It seems to be a path of least resistance. It sounds fine but it is still more c&w than blues.
Hanging on a flatted 3rd, ending a few phrazes on a flatted 3rd and avoiding resolving on the first beat of a measure goes a long way towards correcting this tendency.
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