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James Taylor
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Posted 12 Dec 2012 3:03 pm |
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What are the real benefits of pedals or K/N with the C6 neck ? Yours Aye JAMES TAYLOR  |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Dec 2012 6:46 pm
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They're for chord building instead of melodic devices.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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James Taylor
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 1:42 pm
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Thank you LANE and JIM for sharing your knowledge . The C6 on steel sounds great and can stand quite well alone and just wondered what the addition of pedals would make; but you answered that quite well and I am grateful. Thank you both once again.  YOURS AYE JAMES TAYLOR |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Sam Conomo
From:
Queensland, Australia
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 4:43 pm pedals and knees
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sorry guys,
but i can see a can ,and a opener here,
and the worms are gunna go every where.
but ,good onya for helping....
sam. |
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Jim Hollingsworth
From:
Way out West
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 7:01 pm
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Lane is right in saying that most folks use the pedals for chords. But Jim is also right because the pedals & knee levers can also set you up for scales & rapid note sequences. There were a series of great posts dealing with the use of the C to B knee lever in playing fast note runs. I also use the A to G# lever for that. And the "chord pedals" can also contribute to single note playing.
So .... Lane & Jim were both correct!!!!
Jim |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Douglas Schuch
From:
Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 7:33 pm
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read someplace that most of the standard C6 pedals do what common C6 bar slants do on non-pedal C6.
With a bar slant, though, you would be limited to 2, maybe 3 string chords, I think (I'm not a non-pedal player). The pedals allow for 4 or more note extended chords, which really stands out IMO on the playing of the better C6 steelers. I am attempting to get my playing on C6 up closer to that level.
Doug
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Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 7:42 pm
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| Jim Cohen wrote: |
Certs is a breath mint!
No, Certs is a candy mint!
No, a breath mint!
A candy mint!
STOP! You're both right!! |
That makes 4 of us Jim. |
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Jay Jessup
From:
Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 9:16 pm
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| So would I be totally out of line and tasteless if added the thought "they're for making music" to this thread? If so it wouldn't be too different than the way I used to try to cram C6 style playing into most of what I played---waaaay back in the olden days!!! |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Dec 2012 11:11 pm
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I guess it comes down to how you think about the neck and how to use it.
Having bought Jim's CD, I sure can't argue with his approach.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Rick Barnhart
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2012 6:59 am
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| Jim Cohen wrote: |
You're welcome, James, but I think we might have just given you opposite answers...  |
In my way of thinking, the pedal steel guitar is simply a machine, capable of all sorts of changes. Pedals and knee levers are simply adjuncts for the musician. Expression comes from the player, not from the gadgets.
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Clinesmith consoles D-8/6 5 pedal, D-8 3 pedal & A25 Frypan, Pettingill Teardrop, & P8 Deluxe. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 15 Dec 2012 10:11 am
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I just put knee levers on my guitar so people will ask what they are.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Dec 2012 10:32 am
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I call them "pedal steelactites"
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 15 Dec 2012 10:43 am
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"FROM THEN TIL' NOW"
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 15 Dec 2012 10:44 am
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| Jim Cohen wrote: |
| IMHO, same as on E9. |
So how would you set the copedant to give you a change to the subdominant (in this case F6)? |
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James Taylor
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 15 Dec 2012 4:04 pm C6 neck
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| You all cheer me up with your answers: whether for my edification in gathering so much knowledge from the wealth you have in store, or the shere pun. This makes the learning process so much fun. A big thanks guys and keep it comming! Avery Merry Christmas and a GUID NEW YEAR To you all YOURS AYE JAMES TAYLOR |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 16 Dec 2012 10:47 am
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I think all the answers are correct. Curly Chalker did some amazing full chord "stuff" on C6th using pedals and Pete Drake had a very unique and rewarding style using the basic C6th pedals more as a melodic "lick" style. Very different usage of the C6th pedals but both very effective. I use a D first string on my C6th but I have thoughts quite often of putting a G on it and drag out "For Pete's Sake", a very popular Pete Drake instrumental way back when.
Jerry |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Dec 2012 11:07 am
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Jerry, if you raise 3&7 with a knee, hit it with P5 and strings 2-10 are strings 1-9 of a high G setup, but down a minor third.
If you have a TIFKAD background, dobro licks come out in A. Kinda handy
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 16 Dec 2012 12:34 pm
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I don't see any difference in the function of knee levers for the C6 tuning than on the E9. They serve to bend notes for whatever purpose you want to use them for.
You can build chords, use for continuation connections or play licks on either tuning with them along with the pedals. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 16 Dec 2012 1:01 pm
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True, but between the slightly different tuning and the slightly different changes, I find the two necks foster different mental approaches. I like the universal/Unified setup because I can switch at will
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 16 Dec 2012 1:26 pm
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| I saw a dog fall over. |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 16 Dec 2012 5:33 pm
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Yeah Lane, and even the scale notes that Pete Drake used are there but they don't lay right to get that
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 type of roll that Pete used. You need the 1st string G with the P5 and P7 to sound like Pete. I did learn something from your post. Not only did I not know what TIFKAD meant, I had never heard of it so I Googled it. I do have a Beard Mike Auldridge TIFKAD and a Dobro 27 Deluxe both tuned to straight G tuning so one is a TIFKAD and the other is not. Thanks for broadening my musical education.
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 17 Dec 2012 10:40 am
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| Alan Brookes wrote: |
| ...So how would you set the copedant to give you a change to the subdominant (in this case F6)? |
No-one has answered this yet.  |
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