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Topic: half stop on first string raise on a Carter |
Quentin Hickey
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Posted 28 Nov 2012 6:59 pm |
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I want to have a half stop on my first string raise and need some help in how to go about it. I have my first string raising a whole tone, second string raising a half tone and string 7 raising from F# to G# as well( all on the same knee lever). Just wondering if anyone has tried this out and can they tell me if it works. I want to time my pulls so that the second string starts to raise at the same point that my first string is up a half tone. Would this work out on my Carter? I should also add that its on my LKR so it is the opposing knee lever kit with the two fingers. Any help on this would be great!
Thanks
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richard burton
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Posted 28 Nov 2012 10:26 pm
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Back the nylon raise tuner off on the second string a few turns.
Activate the LKR until string 1 has raised a semitone.
Screw in the 2nd string raise nylon tuner until it just touches the finger.
That's the easy bit, now it gets more complicated.
Fully activate the LKR.
String 1 may be in tune, but string 2 will probably be sharp or flat.
You will need an extra rod going from the LKR cross-shaft to the lower holes in the 2nd finger (if the 2nd string is sharp) or to the lower holes in the 1st finger (if the 2nd string is flat)
If the 2nd string is flat you will also need more knee lever travel, so you will have to back the 7th nylon off as well |
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Micky Byrne
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United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 2:18 am Re: half stop on first string raise on a Carter
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Quentin.....Listen to Richard. He is the Dog's B*****ks (As we say in England) on setting up steels. He's worked on my Sho-Bud and Carter Universals. He made a double lower device for the 2nd string on my Carter. It's second to none 
Micky Byrne U.K. |
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Quentin Hickey
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Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 3:41 am
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Thanks Richard I really appreciate that. With the setup of the LKR using two opposing fingers I was wondering how the lever action would work. To me it feel's like it gets stiff about half was until the fingers get over the highest point of friction it seems.
Mickey id this change setup on you're LKR? If so, how does it feel? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 6:32 am
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My Carter has an 11th changer position solely for half stops. I would try putting the extra rod in the 11th slot and adjust the nylon tuner to hit the finger when the first string is at G. That should work fine. Of course, if all the changes on the lever now create several progressive resistance points, you will have to learn which one is the half stop.
I personally would like to use half stop mechanisms like the old Sho~Buds used. More positive than using another changer finger.
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Quentin Hickey
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Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 7:47 am
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
My Carter has an 11th changer position solely for half stops. I would try putting the extra rod in the 11th slot and adjust the nylon tuner to hit the finger when the first string is at G. That should work fine. Of course, if all the changes on the lever now create several progressive resistance points, you will have to learn which one is the half stop.
I personally would like to use half stop mechanisms like the old Sho~Buds used. More positive than using another changer finger. |
Richard, this slot is already being used for the tunable stop for lowering string 2 a half tone.
Its too Carter didnt fab a few more holes that you could add more tunable stops. I guess it would really put alot of pulls out of balance and that is why Bud Carter didn't go down that road.
I think I am going to try the extra rod in a stiffer part of the raise side for a half stop. I would be happy with even a light stop.
I find that I am going for licks built around raising string 1 a half tone and most of them I dont have time to slide my bar up a fret because I need to saty in that position to pick other strings |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 10:12 am
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I'd think of either:
1) putting in a proper half-stop (Michael Yahl sells 'em for MSA and Sho-Bud) or
2) since you're talking the first string, a finger pull. Just pull it behind the bar with your ring finger.
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 12:17 pm
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Lane- Yes I do the ring finger pull trick quite a bit and the bar slide up a fret some times too. I find when doing speed/fast licks and runs, using my knee to get the raise makes it more efficient.
I have a good ol MSA classic D-10 coming my way so I may need to order 2 kits . I've seen Michael Yahl's MSA stuff on his website, and they look good.
I am going to try Richards advice first, I've seen it done on other guitars and seemed to work well.. but every guitar has its own playability so I'll have to wait and see first.  |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 6:08 pm
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| Richard, this slot is already being used for the tunable stop for lowering string 2 a half tone. |
Mine has 2 holes. I have the 2nd string half stop as well as a half stop I added to string 4 on my C neck. You should also have 2 holes in yours.
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| putting in a proper half-stop (Michael Yahl sells 'em for MSA and Sho-Bud) |
I've wanted to do this, but the rod bushing is too big of a diameter to fit the slots in the bell cranks that Carter uses, and the bellcrank part on his isn't a square shaft mount. I contacted Michael about this and possibly making parts for Carter's, but he said he wouldn't because Al Brisco still had parts available.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Quentin Hickey
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Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2012 6:51 pm
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Well whadya know... I should have checked that first Richard 
Is Carers tunable half stop kit the same layout as MSA's? Really simple and effective. |
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Hans Holzherr
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Münchenbuchsee, Switzerland
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Posted 30 Nov 2012 3:34 am
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Quentin, go ahead with your initial plan. I've had this on my Carter for years, and as far as my anatomy and hearing are concerned, neither a mechanical halfstop nor an extra pullrod has been necessary.
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