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Topic: Removing pedal return springs on a push pull |
Tab Tabscott
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Somewhere between Vashon Island and The mainland.
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Posted 21 Sep 2012 8:15 am |
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Larry Behm took one look at my new (old) PP and told me to pull the pedal return springs off the thing. At first this sounded crazy to me, but when I did it, the pedal action became a heck of a lot easier.
I'm talking about the springs that pull the pedal actuators on the bellcranks back down (up) to the stop strip. The string tension is enough to pull them back up (down) and the act of NOT having to push the pedal through that added tension made a big difference (at least on this guitar).
Thanks Larry! You are THE MAN!
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Brendan Mitchell
From:
Melbourne Australia
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Posted 22 Sep 2012 4:32 pm
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| a bit more info please ? any pix ? |
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Tab Tabscott
From:
Somewhere between Vashon Island and The mainland.
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Posted 22 Sep 2012 9:09 pm More on this...
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Well, we just opened up the case and disconnected the ends of the return springs from the little eye hooks that they're attached to. I left the springs attached to the ends of the bell crank stoppers, just in case I decided to put them back into service.
Since then I've decided to just leave them unattached, and since they don't fall off by themselves, I figure they'll be ok where they sit.
Figure you need to check to make sure there is enough string tension to pull the bell crank stop down against the stop strip. On a couple of the strings with a lot of pulls and pushes, like P5 and P8 the string tension seems like enough, but it really isn't (at least on this guitar), as the lowers are bit mushy when they try to come back up to the neutral pitch. In those two cases, I reconnected the springs to help them out.
Disconnecting the springs on the other pedals really made a BIG difference in the feel of the guitar. Totally worth the effort, and actually fun to do...
Tab
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2012 11:31 pm
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Don't know why those returns springs on th push pulls are so strong. I always took them off myself and made the guitars play so much easier. One perpose they served was to keep pedal rod from falling out but if guitar was setup right they wouldn't do that so I always just did away with them.
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richard burton
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Britain
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Posted 23 Sep 2012 12:36 am
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If a raise pedal is attached to a string that drops a full tone, travel is needed in that pedal to accomodate the drop, especially if it's a wound string.
This is why the return spring is there, to prevent the pedal rod from falling out if your foot accidentally goes under the pedal  |
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Tab Tabscott
From:
Somewhere between Vashon Island and The mainland.
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Posted 23 Sep 2012 9:13 am Yes, Richard, I agree
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That's what I was trying to say when I put this in above
"...Figure you need to check to make sure there is enough string tension to pull the bell crank stop down against the stop strip. On a couple of the strings with a lot of pulls and pushes, like P5 and P8 the string tension seems like enough, but it really isn't (at least on this guitar), as the lowers are bit mushy when they try to come back up to the neutral pitch. In those two cases, I reconnected the springs to help them out..."
That's what I meant anyway-the only places on my guitar with a full step drop attached to a pedal are on the back neck on P5 (ok, 1/2 on this one) and P8. I found out through trial and error that the springs need to stay on these two...
It'd be nice if taking all that spring metal off made the darn thing a little lighter...
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 23 Sep 2012 10:09 am
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Bobby Bowman stretches the pedal return springs to "just the right" tension; enough to return the crossbar to original position, but also reducing the resistance to the foot the pedal exhibits.
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 23 Sep 2012 8:43 pm
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Removed springs from pedals 1 & 2
Stretched all the others to lighten tension, but still stop the rods from popping off. |
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