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Topic: C6 pedals? |
Alex Cattaneo
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 11:43 am |
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Hi guys, I don't have a C6 neck but I'm trying to adapt a C6 tab to E9 and I have a quick question:
What do pedals 5 and 6 do on a C6 neck? |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 11:51 am
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On the standard C6th setup the 5th pedal lowers the 5th & 9th string from G to F# and raises the 10 string from C to D.
The 6th pedal raises the 2nd string from E to F and lowers the 6th string from E to Eb. |
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Alex Cattaneo
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 11:52 am
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And how are they typically notated? I mean what letter or sign would you use in a tab?
Thanks Erv!! |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 12:22 pm
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Alex,
I forgot to mention that if your 1st string is a G,
the 5th pedal usually raises it to a G#.
I'm really not sure how you designate the pedals, maybe just by number. |
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Ken Pippus
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Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 12:37 pm
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There's even less standardization of pedal labelling on C6 tab than on E9. You need to see a copedent chart for the tab you're trying to understand.
KP |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 2:59 pm
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
On the standard C6th setup the 5th pedal lowers the 5th & 9th string from G to F# and raises the 10 string from C to D.
The 6th pedal raises the 2nd string from E to F and lowers the 6th string from E to Eb. |
Erv? is your 9th a G? P5 RAISES 9 to F#, from F.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Alex Cattaneo
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 3:21 pm
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| Thanks guys, I'm actually writing a tab, not reading one, so I'm wondering how I should notate these pedals. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 3:25 pm
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I've usually seen them notated as P5, P6 et cetera.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 3:36 pm
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Most tab I have seen just lists them as 5 & 6.
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| There's even less standardization of pedal labelling on C6 tab than on E9. |
I don't agree with that statement. Everyone I speak to, and almost all tab I have seen talk about the pedals by the number of their location in the copedent that is considered "standard" (see below), although some tab does define letter designations WITHIN THEIR OWN TAB, but it seems useless to me for them to do so.
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4 5 6 7 8
D
E................F
C....................D
A.....B..............B
G.........F#
E...............D#
C.........................C#
A.....B
F.........F#..............E
C.........D...............A
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I left out the knee lever on purpose as it really doesn't have any name other than "knee lever" or "K" on tab. Of course some tab list other "optional" knee levers and may assign letters withing their own tab to designate which is which.
If you and I were having a conversation, I would say "pedal 7", even though I have that change on a knee lever (I still call it pedal 7). I also have pedal 8 on a lever, and also call the lever "pedal 8", because that is what changes are on there. Even in the "old days" when I moved the pedal 8 changes to pedal 4, I still referred to it as pedal 8.
EDIT:And, when it doubt if you are writing tab, you can always just use the method of adding what change is being made to the string on the string line itself like the following.
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2|______3____3#____3#
3|______3____3_____3##
4|______3____3_____3##
5|______3____3_____3
6|______3____3b____3b |
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Last edited by Richard Sinkler on 31 Aug 2012 8:20 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Alex Cattaneo
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 3:44 pm
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| Let's say you have a tab with numbers, what letters or sign would you put next to the numbers to indicate a pedal? Far example on the E9th we use, A, B and C for the three pedals. What would be the equivalent on C6? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 3:49 pm
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If you are writing the tab, it really is your choice what to call them. If you are following the method of putting the pedal designations under the tab, then pedal numbers are fine and should be able to be understood by anyone. If you are putting them one the line next to the note that is picked, I would convert the numbers to the corresponding letter location in the alphabet (4=A, 5=B, 6=C, 7=D, 8=E). If you are creating the tab for others, you should ALWAYS include a copy of the copedent used for the tab.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 4:05 pm
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| Alex Cattaneo wrote: |
| Let's say you have a tab with numbers, what letters or sign would you put next to the numbers to indicate a pedal? Far example on the E9th we use, A, B and C for the three pedals. What would be the equivalent on C6? |
Simple. Say you're on fret 7 playing a D7 chord on strings 5-1, it'll look like this
7
7P6
7P7
7P7
7
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Ken Pippus
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Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 4:23 pm
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"I don't agree with that statement. Everyone I speak to, and almost all tab I have seen talk about the pedals by the number of their location in the copedent that is considered "standard" (see below),"
Yup, perfectly standardized, except for Herby Wallace calling your "5" pedal B, and Doug Jernigan who calls it D in one book, and "1" in another. Without much effort, I'm sure I can find more. And the knee lever thing is a whole different can of worms! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 8:27 pm
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Good point Ken (never looked at either of their tabs). I also stated that method in my second post. And, I have never had a conversation with someone who referred to any C6 pedals by a letter designation. Only in tab. But the bottom line is, call them what you damn well please. If you are writing tab for others, make sure you include an explanation as to what your pedals do along with what you call them. If you are writing it only for yourself, who cares what you call them. Use a method that helps you.
This subject about "standard pedal names" comes up several times a year, and we always get the same results. THERE REALLY IS NO WIDELY ACCEPTED STANDARD. Why can't we just accept that and quit trying to figure out why there is not a standard. There is never going to be a "standard".
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Ken Pippus
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Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2012 9:30 pm
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Richard, I agree with you completely! Philosophically, I really like the Herb Steiner tab approach, where he marks sharps and flats next to the played string. Doesn't matter where you have your pedal. That said, it's still easier to read a pedal number, if you know what the pedal name means.
I think the lack of standard nomenclature for tab is just the tip of the iceberg. I can't think of any instrument but pedal steel where there's anything close to our wide array of idiosyncratic tunings. And it may all be evidence of the fact that this ridiculously complex harmonic instrument is only about sixty years old.
Back to the OP. So you don't play C6, and don't own a C6, and you're writing C6 tab? Interesting. |
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Alex Cattaneo
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 1 Sep 2012 3:37 am
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Ha ha ha, you got me Ken!
I wanted to play the intro for "All My Ex's" on the E9th, and there are a few tabs out there for that, but I found a thread where Paul Franklin wrote out the actual intro he played on C6. So my idea was let's try to play exactly those notes on the E9th.
So the first step was to enter PF's notes into a C6 Tabledit file. Second step was to copy those notes into an E9 Tabledit. Third step was pulling my hair to make it work and make those note combinations playable on E9th... came really close! I'll post my results later today.
So that's why I was writing a C6 tab, and I wanted it to be nice because I will post it for everyone to compare both versions and chime in. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2012 6:52 am
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Lane,
Yes, my mistake.
My 9th string is F and I raise it to F# with pedal 5.
Sorry about that.  |
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 1 Sep 2012 12:07 pm
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| Ah! I had it backwards. I would think that sort of transposition would be a great exercise in figuring out how things actually work. I would sign up to do the next one, if I weren't a lazy slob. |
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