How many have E to F# on a knee lever?

Jeff Watson · From: Anza, CA. USA

I'm sure this has been discussed before but it came up elsewhere and I thought it might be good to revisit one of the most basic copedant issues.
I've been doing without a C pedal for as long as I've been playing. I used to raise E to F# on my RKR but finally decided that I had better, quicker control of RKL. I'm sure I was originally trying to avoid having to use that nasty C pedal but I now like having the independent movement of E to F# without B to C#.
Does anyone have any different uses for their C pedal?

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

I tried it, and didn't like it and went back to the traditional C pedal.
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Steve Lipsey · From: Portland, Oregon, USA

I kept the C-pedal....but also put E->F# on LKV, where it is really easy to get to with A+B down....a nice replacement for that clunky A+B->B+C move, and a useful melody option.
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Larry Bressington · From: Nebraska

That's where i'm going with this jeff...

#1 Do you still have a half raise on 4

#2 Do you do it on the same lever as 8th raise and how far are you raising that 8th string, ive had em all in exsperiments, i thought about gong 1/2 step on 8 and a full step on 4 on the same raise LKL but i know i'll miss that 1/2 so i think i'm stuck in a hole here.
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Jim Hoke · From: Tennessee, USA

Jeff - I also like the 1 & 2 raise on a LKV. I had it on RKL before, sharing the lever w/ the 6 WT lower, but I like separating those moves - more possibilities. Raising 1 and 2 on the same lever as the 6 lower means you can't do the raise in conjunction with pedals A and B. Everything's a trade-off....

Jeff Watson · From: Anza, CA. USA

Larry...I've got both of my half step (E - Eb & E - F#) changes for strings 4 & 8 on LKL & LKR and both 4 & 8 raise from E - F# on RKL. I'm just a simple man.

Jim Palenscar · From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

I've had my "F" lever for 40 years with a half stop- E-F-F#. It has been a love/hate relationship but every time I get rid of it I miss it so go back to it. The key to continuing to use it is a really great half-stop which I am always "in search of". I did also try removing the C pedal however I found that there are some faster BC licks that I simply could not duplicate with the ABF# change quickly enough to warrant the C pedal exclusion.

Jeff Keyton · From: Texas, USA

Like Steve above, I kept the C and put it on the LKV on my S-10. On the D 10, I have E-F# on the 8th pedal. I really like that change.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

I had it for about 20 years on LKV, even removed the C pedal for a long time. I went back to a more standard copedent for the benefit of my students.

My S-8 gigging guitar is tuned D6th with D to E changed on the LKV. It's the same thing as my old E9th, actually. Vertical levers aren't very ergonomic, though. I'm trying to get away from them as time goes on.
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B. Greg Jones · From: Middleport, Ohio USA

I have the C pedal and the E to F# change on a lever. I have both he E to F and E to F # changes on staggard LKL's. I find I use the knee lever more than the C pedal.

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Bryant Aycock · From: Pikeville, North Carolina

I have my E to F# change on my RKR. My RKL is my E to EB. Works well for me.

Joe Savage · From: St. Paul, MN

I have E to F# on the eighth pedal on my guitars.
Not sure where it would go if I played a single, but I like having it.
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John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

First, getting rid of your C pedal is a huge mistake, folks, don't do it. Mostly, key changes and scales are much faster, crisper with a pedal.

I have string 4 E>F# on my LKL-Front. My E and F levers are on the right knee, so I've found there's a ton of interesting chromatic climbs by having those changes where they are.

I grew to value this change so much that, to keep the strings 1 and 2 raise, I was forced to design and add my Left Knee Forward and move those changes there (it's my least used knee lever, but still very useful). I ask a lot of my Mullen, but the reward is so many beautiful, musical, interesting changes that I use all the time.
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Thiel Hatt · From: Utah, USA

One of my guitars is set up with the E to F# on a seperate knee lever. The E to F change is independent. On this guitar the C pedal is eliminated because I ran out of availabe pulls. It's the E9th Universal 12 string set up and I would have had to have a quadruple raise to get all the changes I wanted on the 4th and 5th strings. The compromise is very acceptable and indeed has some desirable advantages.

Skip Edwards · From: LA,CA

You can do some pretty cool stuff having a 4th string E to F# change on a lever by itself, but I agree with John...don't expect it to replace your C pedal.
Tom Brumley had that change on his setup, and he did some very cool stuff with it.
Check out his intro and solo on Rosie Flores' "God May Forgive You(But I Won't)", and you'll hear that lever in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYV0SCWiW5s

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Thiel, Michael Yahl sells a gizmo that lets an adjacent finger (either the other direction on the same string or the same direction on a neighboring string) host a pull, they work like a charm
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Georg Sørtun · From: Mandal, Agder, Norway

Have had half/full tone raise/lower "switch" on E levers for 25 years on my main PSG. Always miss these changes when playing other PSGs.

Larry Bressington · From: Nebraska

Skip....That was an amazing example for this move from tom brumley, thanks for that post, i think i'll steal that intro for inspirational purposes...
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Peter Nylund · From: Finland

I have kept the C pedal and added the E to F# change on a separate knee lever. There are some great changes on the knee lever, but I wouldn't want to be without the C pedal.
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Steve Lipsey · From: Portland, Oregon, USA

The extra lever gives you pulls on string 8, which C pedal doesn't do, and also string 10, when used with A+B (my E->F# is on LKV, very easy to combine with A+B), again which C pedal doesn't do.
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Per Berner · From: Skovde, Sweden

I have always had E>F# on my LKV, which is very convenient just as Steve says (still have the C pedal as well, though I rarely need it). I even find it difficult to play without that change.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Mike Cass · Posted 9 Aug 2012 12:07 am

its on my #8 or 9 pedal depending on which guitar I use. Very cool change wherever you have it...
it can also replace the Franklin pedal by activating it as you drop the bar 2 frets from open position, everywhere but the 0 fret of course. I also like Larry's idea of string4 E to F# and string8 E to F. Nice.

Robbie Daniels · From: Casper, Wyoming, USA

I have never used the C pedal. I have been raising E to F# since I bought my first D12 MSA in 1968. I would suppose it depends on the style of the steeler as to what the advantage is, but for me it works quite well.
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Steve Lipsey · From: Portland, Oregon, USA

I do like also having the C pedal....when I'm not also using A+B, or when I just want to hear 4&5 move together (as in the "B+C smash flourish" that Pete Burak showed me)...just another option for how the sounds move..
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