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Topic: old d/8 shobud?need advice on value |
Jack Goodson
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new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 6:26 am |
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anyone own or have any info on an old d/8 shobud? i have not seen it yet, but the owner says it is a cable pull system with 4/pedals. any info will be greatly appreciated....thanks jack
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 7:43 am
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| It's probably a Fender 400. Sho Bud never used a cable system. |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 7:46 am d/8 shobud
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| donnie: that is what i thought, but the guy has a fender 400 also and he says the shobud has the hearts, and the emblem says shobud. hope to have photos by tonite or tomorrow....thanks jack |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 1:19 pm
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Jack, just about anything is possible. Steelers have even been known to change "holy grail" Emmons push/pulls to all-pull guitars! Nevertheless, you can't always go by nameplates and such. Below is a clip that features one of my old guitars, and it has the old Sho~Bud emblem on the front, but it's a (cabled) Fender 1000 with two knee levers. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKleTa94dC8 |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 1:52 pm could be?
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| donny: could be, he had a fender and this guitar which both belongs to his son now. hopefully i will be able to get photos by tonite or tomorrow. will post as soon as i can....thanks jack |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 6:07 pm photos added
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| photos added....thanks jack |
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Bob Tuttle
From:
Republic, MO 65738
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 7:30 pm
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| It sure appears to be a Sho-Bud, but I'm guessing that someone modified the pulling system and added the cable pulls underneath. It looks like Fender pulleys and cable ends. |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 7:37 pm value?
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| bob: i had another photo of the pedal hookup underneath the guitar, i beleive it could be changed to bellcranks and rods. anyone have an idea of what it might be worth?....thanks jack |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 31 Jul 2012 10:43 pm
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Definately an early Madison made Bud. Permanent changer, no rear apron, roller nut however would indicate it to be an early 60's guitar, rather than 50's. Too bad about the cable job. Someone obviously wanted to change the set up which on a permanent is not exactly a simple job  |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 7:44 am
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| Now I see. It's indeed a 'Bud...but with Fender cables installed by a previous "owner/craftsman"! |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 9:06 am
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| I mean its still neat and it appears to have everything original on top pickups and all even though the undercarriage is non original. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 1:42 pm
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Yes, it could be mechanically restored...for a few hundred dollars, and maybe a couple hundred more if you wanted knee levers. The cables that are half-ass installed make more it a "project" guitar, since I seriously doubt it's a playable instrument the way it is. 
D8 'Buds are a pretty rare item, though. |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 2:59 pm
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| are the pedals on it shobud pedals. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 3:33 pm
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Jussi,
Interesting guitar, eh? "Ducktail" Perm changers, but only 8 strings. String ball end roller nutz? I couldn't zoom in enough to tell fur shure, but the way the keyhead is machined, it would certainly seem so. The "Ducktail" predates my '59 D-10, which has no "Ducktail," but mine doesn't have a roller nut. Cabinet ends, and no rear apron? That's early! And,,,,, I've never seen a red Madison decal. Pretty easy job to convert it to crossrods and bellcranks. Neat guitar! I know you could get cabinet end guitars into the later '60s, but with "Ducktail " changers? Could be a case of, "Hey Dad! I found these old changers under the bench." And Shot says, "Use 'em!" But still that very early decal in red,,,,,, hmmmmmm.... |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 3:34 pm pedals?
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| they are the old wide shobud pedals....thanks jack |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 1 Aug 2012 3:37 pm photos added
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| i will have the guitar in my possession tomorrow afternoon, will get more detailed photos asap....thanks jack |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 2 Aug 2012 3:48 am
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| Yes John, I was thing the same thing. Also, it doesn't seem to have adjustable bridges, though that is hard to tell for sure from the pics. |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2012 6:16 pm
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Here is a 1957 Sho-Bud that was updated in 1959 to a D-9. The original tailpiece was reused -- it was welded at the end and redrilled for nine string holes. The reason I am showing this photo is to address Jussi's point. The green pickup Sho-Bud has the same skinny axle changer that appears not to be adjustable for intonation -- it is. but only slightly.
The green pickup Sho-Bud started life as a 1957 D-8 with 25 1/2 inch scale. Al Udeen ordered it from Shot's Garage and talked to Buddy Emmons and SHot in person and watched Buddy (Buddie) select the wood. Al is under the impression that it is the third Sho-Bud, but I bet there were only two Sho-Buds completed when Al ordered it but his actually turned out to be the fifth or sixth.
In 1959 or so Al had Shot change the guitar to a D-9 and the scale got shortened to 24 inches so the keyheads would fit.
I bought it from Al Udeen five years ago or thereabouts.
I sold it to Todd Clinesmith.
The green pickup guitar has a piercing, cutting, clear, tone. It sounds great. Better than a Sho-Bud.
It was a Bigsby killer.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2012 6:23 pm
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| Glad you chimed in Chris! You seem to know more about these really old Shobuds than anyone else. I'm still intrigued by the red Shobud logo. Have you seen these before? I have a Madison guitar, and the logo is in black. Haven't seen red before. |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2012 6:26 pm
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I imagine the red sticker was for red pickup or red trim guitars. I have never seen a red pickup guitar that still had its original sticker to know for sure.
John, I may have a loaded pedal rack for your project.
Chris
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2012 6:34 pm
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"John, I may have a loaded pedal rack for your project"
That would be wonderful!. It's a beautiful guitar. Great finish,,,, but completely useless without the pedals. Coop said my rack was in Nashville being polished, and then, very sadly, he passed. I'm kinda stuck! |
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Steve Hinson
From:
Hendersonville Tn USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2012 6:34 pm
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| That Bud with the green on it is COOL! |
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Bob Muller
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 3 Aug 2012 7:45 am
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John, Have you ever seen a Green Madison pedal rack Decal?
Looks like there were a few color choices available.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Aug 2012 8:33 am
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| That green is also a first for me Bob! Does it, by any chance, match the plastic pickup covers? |
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Bob Muller
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 3 Aug 2012 9:06 am
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John, curiously in this case the pickup cover does not match, hard to believe isn't it!
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