Driving The NV 400 with a NV 112?

Howard Parker · From: Maryland

I'm considering a stage setup with both of the above combo amps. The NV 112 will be my monitor and the NV 400 will be on the opposite side of the stage, primarily for my band mates.

Anyone try this setup? Should I be able to route the 112's "Preamp Out" to the 400's "Power Amp In" w/o signal disruption? If so, Is there any way to get the signal into the 400 "pre EQ"?

I'd like to be able to control the stage levels of each amp independently. Any issues?

A crazy idea? Let me down gently.

h

Bud Angelotti · From: Larryville, NJ, USA

Yup, I've done it. A few years ago when I owned both amps at the same time. It worked very well. I found out two things while trying it.
#1 - Since the nv 400 was for the rest of the band to serve as a monitor, they didn't want it too loud and they turned it down. Which was fine. However it defeated the purpose. So I tried it the other way around. 400 to 112. Basically the same thing, but different Laughing

The band turned it down, defeated the purpose. It sounded wonderful! But....
If the reason your doing it is because the NV 400 is not loud enough, well ...
You could try putting BOTH amps near you to spread the sound around, like some folks do with 2 NV 112s.
The second thing I found out was I am lazy and don't want to carry two amps.
Try it you might love it, and it does work!

Howard Parker · From: Maryland

I'll do some experimenting. My idea is to keep the 112 by me at a modest volume and have the 400 on the opposite side of the stage, cranked as necessary for the rest of the guys.

It's an outdoor gig and I'm unsure of the sound situation on what is supposed to be a large stage.

Thanks

h

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Not to open a can of worms about monitors (please, there are already monitor threads going on), but one of my bands runs the steel and guitar lightly through the monitors (and mains) for the other members to hear. The drums (except the kick) and bass don't need that treatment as they carry well to all parts of the room. It works out well. You don't have to run it through the mains (although, not a bad idea if playing outside).

One of the biggest complaints I hear (besides my looks) is that people can't hear me if they are seated on the side of the room opposite where me and my amp are. Turning up to the point where they can hear, means I am too loud on the bandstand as well as my side of the room. This is also a pet peeve of mine when I go see someone else play live. It's amazing that musicians work so hard on what they sound like to themselves on stage (with expensive gear) only to sound half-assed in the audience. I'm sorry, but you can play your $2000 boutique, hand wired, gold plated custom built amp all you want, but if I or others in the audience can't hear you, it's just another piece of furniture on stage. This can even happen in small venues. The monitor and mains thing is one solution.

Another is to run extension speakers on the other side of the stage. One band I was in did that. Our guitar player had a Randall version of a Marshall stack, 2 4x12 cabinets. He and the bass player were on one side of the stage and I was on the other. We re-wired his cabinets so that one on their side of the stage had 2 12's for the guitar amp, and 2 12's for my amp. The cabinet on my side of the stage had 2 12's for the guitar and 2 for the bass. There wasn't a spot in any venue, large, small, or outside where you could not clearly hear EVERY instrument. A little extreme, but effective.

As for the OP's problem, I think running an amp on the other side may help. But, if you take the preamp of one into the power amp of another, does the volume control on the slave still work, or is it controlled by the level of the preamp on the master amp? Also, I would choose which amp I thought sounded best and use it as the master and run it into the other as a slave. I think a powered speaker on the other side of the stage (like a Peavey PX300) is a better choice that another amp. They usually have a lever control that the members on that side of the stage can use to balance the levels the way they want.

One other school of thought, who cares if they can hear you. While it is nice to be able to hear EVERYTHING, I don't think it is necessary. If everyone knows their parts and when to play and not play, you should be able to get through a gig just fine if you can't hear another instrument perfectly. The audience is what counts.

Anyway, good luck.
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Wesley Medlen · From: LaCygne,Ks

In out door our large areas what works for our cowboy church band I mike my 112 into system with a monitor in front of me where I can hear the blend works well for us
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