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Topic: Fire On The Mountain - Toy's Thumb |
Jeff Watson
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Anza, CA. USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 11:13 am |
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Is Toy Caldwell actually hitting 3 consecutive 16th notes on the B string (before the 4th note on the E string) with just his thumb on that little repeating figure during the intro to Fire On The Mountain?
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Lane Gray
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 11:51 am
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I can't speak for Toy, but I usually hit it P-I-M or P-M-P.
I don't think about it, I just hit it. I'm pretty sure it's on tonight's playlist, I'll pay attention.
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Gary Lee Gimble
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 1:10 pm
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Sorry. Classical guitar training (a couple years of it).
P-Pulgar. Spanish for thumb. I and M are the same. Since most music uses Italian words, I have no idea why guitar is in Spanish
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Gary Lee Gimble
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Dana Blodgett
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California, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 2:00 pm fire on the mountain
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I always thought that:
T=Thumb
I= Index Finger or 1
M= Middle Finger or 2
I don't see how I = M ? Can anyone else clarify?
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Dana Blodgett
From Los Osos,Ca.
'74 ShoBud 6140 3+4, Martins HD28,D-12-28, D-15,'65 Gibson LG-1, '77 Gibson Les Paul special dbl cut p-90's, Les Paul Special p-100's,Les paul Special Hybrid(maple top) hbkr's,'68 Fender Strat reissue, Fender Squire Jazz bass,Epi mandolin,Epi Wilshire '66 reissue, Kamaka Concert uke, 70's Kamaka Soprano Uke, Fender Super amp, Ampeg ba112 bass amp,60's harmony banjo,'00 Gibson SG Supreme |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 3:41 pm
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I don't hear a pick on the second note. I hear it as:
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1 ______________________________________________________________________
2 ______________________________________________________________________
3 ______________________________________________________________________
4 _____________3_____________3______________3_____________3_____________
5 __3--3A__3A_____3--3A__3A_____3--3A__3A_____3--3A__3A_____3--3A__3A___
6 ______________________________________________________________________
t t i t t i t t i t t i t t |
reference: http://youtu.be/Qhl4UW_gFfY?t=24s
also note: Beatles background vocals in Girl.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 3:41 pm
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T/P= Thumb/pulgar
I = Index/indice (in the formal, derived from Spanish)
M = Middle/Medio (in the formal, derived from Spanish)
Formal guitar notation came from the Spanish for some reason. "I" never meant middle.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Jeff Watson
From:
Anza, CA. USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 4:48 pm
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| Yeah Bob I guess your right. When I slow it down a bit, it sounds like 3 distinct hits but when I slow it WAY down it sounds like a pedal slur between 2 thumbed notes. Thank you sir. |
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Dana Blodgett
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 7:31 pm fire on the mountain
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Thanks
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Dana Blodgett
From Los Osos,Ca.
'74 ShoBud 6140 3+4, Martins HD28,D-12-28, D-15,'65 Gibson LG-1, '77 Gibson Les Paul special dbl cut p-90's, Les Paul Special p-100's,Les paul Special Hybrid(maple top) hbkr's,'68 Fender Strat reissue, Fender Squire Jazz bass,Epi mandolin,Epi Wilshire '66 reissue, Kamaka Concert uke, 70's Kamaka Soprano Uke, Fender Super amp, Ampeg ba112 bass amp,60's harmony banjo,'00 Gibson SG Supreme |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 10:42 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
T/P= Thumb/pulgar
I = Index/indice (in the formal, derived from Spanish)
M = Middle/Medio (in the formal, derived from Spanish)
Formal guitar notation came from the Spanish for some reason. |
I'd guess that the guitar's being accepted and used as a serious instrument more so in Spain than elsewhere in the last couple of centuries had something to do with that. (Maybe Andres Segovia in particular in the most recent century was especially influential on this.)
Consider that the six-stringed fretted instrument we all know is referred to in older literature as the "Spanish guitar." When Gibson began to offer electrified instruments, they had the "EH-150" (Electric Hawaiian) and the "ES-150" (Electric Spanish).
On the other hand, Russ Wever's theory that "p-i-m-a" comes from Latin has merit; aside from the significantly different word for "thumb," the initials are the same. |
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