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Topic: Mechinal Tuning Problem? |
Chris Harvey
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California, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2012 9:13 am |
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First off I've only been playing about 3 years so excuse any ignorance in advance.
I have a beautiful guitar (lashley II) which I love and have noticed a possible issue. When I raise my G#'s the B string goes flat (only the 5th string). Note there's also a Franklin change (I think that's what they call it) string which pulls the G# to a B, which I use only occasionally. I also noticed there's a tunable split on the G# which still escapes me. If I really mash on the pedals (which I don't) you can see it go flat even more. Is this cabinet drop? I've checked all moving parts (lubrication, strings stuck in the changer etc). I noticed it when hitting sus chord and having the string edge flat a TAD. It's probably having that stroboflip right next to me which is making me paranoid. I record with it and it sound perfectly in pitch. |
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Bob Knight
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Bowling Green KY
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Posted 3 Jul 2012 9:23 am Bingo!!
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| It's probably having that stroboflip right next to me which is making me paranoid. |
You answered your own question Chris.
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Chris Harvey
From:
California, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2012 10:32 am
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| Thanks Bob! |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Jul 2012 10:50 am
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It's *probably* cabinet drop. But doesn't the LeGrande have the "counterforce" thing?
To tell whether it's cabinet drop or a problem, watch the 5th string finger as you work the B pedal. if the finger doesn't move, it's just cabinet drop. If the finger moves, then you have issues.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Jul 2012 11:15 am
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| But doesn't the LeGrande have the "counterforce" thing? |
Only on the LeGrande 3 is my understanding.
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 3 Jul 2012 1:13 pm
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| People have to stop putting strobe scopes on their pedal steels. The pedal steel is not a calculator. Anything less than 3 cents is a non issue. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Jul 2012 6:42 am
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That's funny, Kevin! But, I am in enthusiastic agreement with you.  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Jul 2012 7:36 am
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Every pull on a pedal steel changes the amount of tension on the body and on the changer axle. These changes in tension also change the tuning of every string. We call this phenomenon cabinet drop for reasons that are lost to antiquity.
Cabinet drop affects some strings more than others. It's imperceptible on most of the wound strings, and most pronounced on the thickest plain strings. A small change in body/axle tension can produce a noticeable change on plain strings in the .017 to .022 range. This change is rarely enough to call the note "out of tune" or even "pitchy", but it bothers people who use electronic tuners.
An axle support in the center of the changer, added by several builders in recent years, provides enough of a solution to satisfy many players. It doesn't totally eliminate cabinet drop, but it helps.
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 5 Jul 2012 11:45 am
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My theory is that there is no such thing as a pedal steel in perfect tune. You've just got to play them so they sound in tune. 
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Chris Harvey
From:
California, USA
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Posted 6 Jul 2012 9:17 am
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| Thanks everyone. I recently played a gig and the guitar sounds perfectly in pitch. Some of the notes were a bit off but that's a case of the problem being the Indian, not the arrow! |
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