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Topic: Sneaky Pete - Effects? |
b0b
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Mike Neer
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Posted 2 Jul 2012 7:39 am |
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Sounds like a Maestro PS-1A phaser. Man, that is one big-*ss bar!
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Kirk Eipper
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Posted 2 Jul 2012 7:58 am
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+1 for the Maestro Phaser- had one with him when we worked together in early 80's.
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Walter Glockler
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Posted 2 Jul 2012 8:43 am
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| Did you notice that Chris Ethridge plays drums and Mike Clarke bass (usually vice versa)? |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2012 9:03 am
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| Walter Glockler wrote: |
| Did you notice that Chris Ethridge plays drums and Mike Clarke bass (usually vice versa)? |
Yeah, and Gram on Piano. They aren't really playing, though - it's the studio recording from the "Gilded Palace of Sin" LP. Sneaky Pete seems to be the only one taking his instrument's part seriously. His picking is actually pretty close to what he played on the recording.
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Jay Fagerlie
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Posted 6 Jul 2012 6:42 am
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b0b- a while back Hello Music had a deal on the Akai phase shifter for 50 bones- it has 90, 180, 270, and 360 degree settings as well as a rate knob.
It has a great phase shifting sound, from Atomic Punk to whistling swooshes. I really like it and you can't go wrong on the price.
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b0b
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Posted 6 Jul 2012 8:00 am
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I get a really nice phaser sound from my Pod XT - actually the best I've found for a balance of convenience and quality.
One thing about the Maestro is that it doesn't have a true bypass. When the effect is turned off, it still colors the sound dramatically. Maybe that coloring, rolling off a lot of the high end, was a big part of Sneaky Pete's trademark tone. His guitar certainly sounded mellower than any Fender 400 I've ever heard in person.
I use my H&K Rotosphere in a similar way sometimes. It does have a true bypass, but it also has a "Brake" that gives the tone without the rotating effect. I find that sound highly desirable in rock tunes, and it ramps up nicely to the rotor when you release the brake.
I'm moving this post to Electronics for further discussion.
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Jay Fagerlie
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Posted 6 Jul 2012 8:06 am
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Yup- I like the Pod XT phaser also, but there is nothing like the sound of an actual analog effect. I call it 'chewy' for lack of a better term....maybe more 'organic' is another way to put it....
Maybe it's time for some sound bytes and a discussion of why wee like what we like in the "phase shifter" effects category?!?!
Anybody wanna get in on this?
I'm here at home until Tuesday enjoying some time off....the wife's "Honey-Do" list doesn't appeal to me at the moment....
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Dave Grafe
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Posted 6 Jul 2012 5:57 pm
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| When we worked with him in Portland in 1979 he had a Maestro Phaser on the floor and a modified Univox Fuzz box attached to his seriously modified Fender guitar. |
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Steve Ahola
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Posted 6 Jul 2012 11:54 pm Re: Sneaky Pete - Effects?
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Does anyone know what effect Sneaky Pete used on this song? http://youtu.be/_tHoNZp7POA
This is lip-sync performance of the recording, but it has some nice closeups of Pete's hands. |
I don't remember hearing phase shifters in the 60's and here is a page that said that they came out in 1971. The Gilded Palace of Sin was recorded in February 1969 so it must have been something else that Pete was using. Do you think that he might have been using a Fender Volume/Tone pedal? I got one in 1978 from Bobby Thompson's son which is up in my attic- I never thought it was that useful for regular guitar but I need to try it with steel guitar!
http://www.wingspreadrecords.com/maestro_ps1_page.html
Steve Ahola
P.S. I was looking at Pete's B6 copedant and the open strings are like the 8 string C6 non-pedal tuning (with the E on top and the G on the bottom) only moved down a fret.
In a different topic you had quoted Jim Sliff:
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| The other very popular copedent is Sneaky Pete's B6. There are several variations and the one below is the whole 9+2 layout, but you can set up a very playable version with just 4 pedals. |
Do you know which of the 4 pedals he was referring to? Thanks!
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b0b
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Posted 7 Jul 2012 7:45 am Re: Sneaky Pete - Effects?
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| Steve Ahola wrote: |
P.S. I was looking at Pete's B6 copedant and the open strings are like the 8 string C6 non-pedal tuning (with the E on top and the G on the bottom) only moved down a fret.
In a different topic you had quoted Jim Sliff:
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| The other very popular copedent is Sneaky Pete's B6. There are several variations and the one below is the whole 9+2 layout, but you can set up a very playable version with just 4 pedals. |
Do you know which of the 4 pedals he was referring to? Thanks! |
Probably P1 P2 P3 and P7. Ask about it in the Pedal Steel section of the forum for better responses.
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Olli Haavisto
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 2:35 am
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If phasers were not available at the time of this recording, my guess would be the Echoplex which can produce phaser like sounds in some settings. Especially if the motor or transport is not in perfect condition. Pete did have an EP, I`ve read.
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Michael Brebes
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 7:17 am
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Did a little research. "Gilded Palace of Sin" was released in 1969. Maestro PS-1 first available in 1971. Chances are high that it was a Leslie cabinet, since he was known to use one during that period.
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b0b
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 7:26 am
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How does that work? Can you plug a guitar directly into a Leslie cabinet, or do you run it from the speaker jack of an amp?
In addition to the effect, the tone is very different from a "normal" Fender 400. Is that just part of the Leslie, or was he using something else to reshape the tone?
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Olli Haavisto
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 8:07 am
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Leslies usually have tube or solid state power amps. Newer ones have a line input, older ones need to be modified with one, I think. Most studios have that mod on their Leslies, some have a guitar pre built in too. The Fender Vibratone is fed from the ext speaker out of a guitar amp.
The Hot Burrito tone does indeed sound like a slow Leslie.... with a little Echoplex, too.
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Joachim Kettner
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 10:14 am
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If it's a Leslie, my question is, when did guitar/steel players ever begin to use it?
The first time I've heard it consciously was on Taj Mahal's "Giant Step" from'68. I've read that the Burritos were fans.
Here's a live clip from 1970. Not sure, but it sounds like Jesse Davis is using one, can someone spot it inbetween of all these Orange amps ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1S7lLE37l4&feature=related
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chris ivey
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 10:24 am
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the big maestro phasers with the three big colored rocker switches were beautiful sounding units. wish i still had mine.
i trimmed down years ago to an ibanez dml10 modulation delay (stomp box) which enables a slight chorus effect by raising the modulation levels slightly.
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Peter Huggins
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Van Nuys, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 2:04 pm
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The Taj Mahal clip, with Jesse Ed Davis on guitar, appears to be from the TV show "Beat Club" . Jesse is standing next to a Leslie speaker cabinet (The wood one with the louvers). Since there is no organ visible or on the track, I am assuming that Jesse is playing through the Leslie. Please note the Half Moon switch, normally found attached to the Hammond Organ, duct taped to the top of the Leslie cabinet where a guitarist could reach it. Also the black tolex cabinets visible appear to be Leslie 16 cabinets. Those were often sold to guitarists although they do not have the rotating horn or speaker box like the wood finished cabinets do.
George Harrison, Eric Clapton and Joe Walsh were all using Leslie cabs for guitar by 1969.
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Dave Grafe
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Posted 10 Jul 2012 8:25 pm
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| Rusty Young used a Leslie cabinet a lot with Poco. I fooled around with mine at a few gigs some years ago but the effect was ultimately not worth the heavy cartage for me. Recording with one, that's another animal entirely.... |
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Michael Brebes
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Posted 11 Jul 2012 7:11 am
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I saw Rusty Young with Poco in '69 and he was using the Fender Leslie with a wah wah. Sounded very similar to an organ with the player moving the drawbars.
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Joel McCoy
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Posted 13 Jul 2012 8:34 am
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That's most likely a Leslie model 147 that Jesse Ed is using in that clip. The 147's were identical to the 122 in all ways except in returning B+ voltage from the console, the 122's were made to go with Hammond console organs ( the B's the C's and the RT's..) while the 147 was for most other organs (Hammond and otherwise). Leslie made their own pedal pre-amps in the late 60's and 70's to allow for 1/4" input, line level usage of a leslie cab. The speed switching relay on the 147 was also different in that it was a much quicker speed change compared to the 122 which has a split second delay that you have to groove with.
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Bud Angelotti
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Posted 13 Jul 2012 11:40 am
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| The phaser was actually discovered, rather than invented. Here's how it worked. Think "Sgt. Pepper". They only had 4 tracks to work with. Record to 3 of them. Mix 'em down to the 4th empty track. Now you have 3 empty tracks to overdub to. This is still called "ping ponging". No big deal. Phasing occured when, after the initial 3 tracks where mixed down, to track 4, one of the original tracks was played back, along with the mixed down tracks. The two tracks of the same performance, one mixed down & one the original, are out of sync by the distance between the record and play back heads. It gives it that funny swoosing sound. This is how an echoplex works, but with an endless tape loop. |
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Jay Fagerlie
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Posted 13 Jul 2012 1:16 pm
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Sorry Bud, phasing is based on shifting phase, not time-base. You may be thinking of 'flanging', which is delay based.
The Leslie is 'doppler effect'
The Fender units were phase shifters based on turning a ganged capacitor.
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Bud Angelotti
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Posted 13 Jul 2012 3:06 pm
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Well then, I stand corrected. Thanks Jay.  |
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