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Topic: Eliminating Pedal Noise |
Thomas Heath
From:
Saint Louis, Missouri
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Posted 29 May 2012 7:53 pm |
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| Young steel player here. Bought a GFI starter (3x4) a few months ago and the pedals seem to be clicking and clacking more and more. Does anyone know the best way to reduce/eliminate pedal noise? It seems to be coming from the floor and not up in the body. Can I use any old mechanical lubricant? Anything I shouldn't do? Is aggressive playing harmful, as I can get a little too carried away sometimes.. Many Thanks |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 May 2012 8:18 pm
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There should be no clanks at the pedal bar. Any lubrication should be either in a light oil like 3 in 1, or a teflon lube like TriFlow dry or Dupont dry film.
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 29 May 2012 8:35 pm
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Is the pedal noise coming through the amp? If it isn't, I wouldn't worry about it.
Lubricate when necessary for everything to work properly, which mainly means to make the guitar play in tune. Don't drown your steel in lubricants to try to silence every little noise.
My old push-pull Emmons has a ton of pedal noise, but I only hear it when playing in the bedroom. On stage, or even at low volume rehearsals and in a recording studio, it's simply not an issue. |
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Lynn Fargo
From:
Fort Edward, NY
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Posted 30 May 2012 5:12 pm
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I notice pedal noise when I'm making vids for YouTube. Someone suggested I can use some type of foam to cut down on pedal noise. I really don't know exactly what he meant. I just figure if I've got pedal noise, you know it's live and not Memorex. 
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 3:38 am
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Please correct me if wrong, but from what I understand 'GFI' guitars are not supposed to require any lubrication. My guess is that the "clacking" noise that you are experiencing may be the result of slack in the mechanism. In other words, there is a certain amount of free travel in the pedals before the pull is engaged (required in a P/P mechanism?)...The reference made by Lynn regarding the addition of foam I believe is placing small blocks of foam between the underside of the guitar body and the pullrods. This reduces the rattling noise made by the rods when pedals/levers are engaged or released. (The foam pieces should only be wide enough to permit them to be held in place by the rods, thus allowing the rods to move freely without any added drag or bending).
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 3:43 am
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Zum uses a "comb" of a soft foam (probably under 1 lb. density) to separate, quiet and, to a lesser extent, align the pullrods.
EDIT: I guess I should also ask, since you say you're new, to listen carefully. Does the noise come from the pedal bar or the underside of the guitar? Just like in car repairs, different noises mean different things, and some noises are just "sorry, sir; they all do that."
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 5:07 am
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The GFI's are "permanently" lubricated, at least the Expo and Ultra models.
There are mechanical stops and most guitars will have some (some less than others) noise. If you are sitting in a quiet room any noise can be heard or "amplified". If you are pressing the pedals hard (harder than required) that can also cause more noise.
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 5:56 am
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If it's the little clamps that hold the pedal rods, and the pedal hinges (both places are going to have an unavoidable amount of play), I have had some success with slitting open little 2" lengths of the foam sold as "grip" material, much like this:
http://compare.ebay.com/like/190040968666?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
If you have a drugstore that sells crutches & knee braces and such, they may have it already or can order it. 1/4" ID X 1" OD. I only put it on when trying to record through a mike rather than some direct means. I am something of a foam connoisseur, no home should be without a bin full! |
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Chuck Blake
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 7:01 am
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I agree with Jack, GFI says "no need to lube your GFI, period"! I think anything mechanical is going to have some noise. My GFI had a cabinet knock which turned out to be the brass bushing which the connector rod attached. The brass bushing did what is was supposed to do, it absorbed the wear. I called GFI and they sent me 3 new bushings.
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Thomas Heath
From:
Saint Louis, Missouri
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 11:29 am
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| Thanks for the help yall. After further investigation, I realilzed that *most* of the noise in the A pedal comes from underneath the body and the and it is most significant in the A pedal and not as severe as in the other ones. Also, my C pedal seems to have two stages of resistance...very easy at first and "normal" in the second half. Is this uncommon? ALSO, when I press the A pedal, the C pedal moves down a bit. ("the first stage"). Yes I should be practicing; not worrying about these little things... But im loving this thing and want it to be perfect. FURTHERMORE, My C pedal has a lot more travel than the other pedals...is this unusual? Thanks again people. |
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 11:38 am
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Generally: the B pedal has the shortest travel; the A pedal has the second most travel; & the C pedal has the longest travel.
It takes more pedal travel for a changer to raise the E to F# than to raise the B to C#.
Because it takes more travel to raise that 4th string a whole tone, than to raise the 5th string a whole tone, the 4th string raise on the C pedal has to start sooner than the 5th string raise. When you are feeling the increased pressure on the C pedal, it's probably because you have now fully engaged both raises on the pedal. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 12:42 pm
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Paul pretty much nailed it.
Try putting the guitar in the case and working the pedal. you'll see that one string will start before the other. The modern ideal is for both strings to start and end together, but the C pedal is trickier, and takes a back seat to the A when rodding.
It might be possible to speed up the longer throw, but it'd become even stiffer.
I'd suggest just playing the top side: playing the underside becomes addictive.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 12:53 pm
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There were two whole threads describing someone's mod using silicone washers to get rid of the "clunk" in GFI pedal rods. I can't remember who did it (I think he was even providing kits to do the fix), and I can't find the thread, but it's on here somewhere.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 1:23 pm
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| ALSO, when I press the A pedal, the C pedal moves down a bit. ("the first stage"). Yes I should be practicing; not worrying about these little things... But im loving this thing and want it to be perfect. |
The "C" pedal may move whenever you hit A or B, and that's common on most steels...especially the ones with slotted pullers. Don't let that worry you. As far as the noise, they all make some noise; some are just worse than others, especially on quick "slapping" moves. The suggestions listed so far may help, but don't get carried away on trivialities.
Yes, I know you (and everyone else) wants their guitar to be perfect, but none are. For the 98% of us that don't have to make a living with these things, "Good Enough is Good Enough", IMHO. Time wasted on miniscule mechanical details pays off far less than time playing, practicing, or getting some one-on-one lessons.  |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 1 Jun 2012 3:42 pm
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| i believe that it was Dale Hansen (Bessdang Gizmos) who posted the thread that Ken referred to. |
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Franklin
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Posted 2 Jun 2012 7:10 am
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| Recording instruments is the only time instrument or chair noise is an issue. Move the amp as far away as possible and use a directional microphone like a 421 or a 57.....If that is not an option put a baffle between the amp and the guitar........I vaguely remember on a Strait session they had to put a blanket over Gimble's amp to keep the squeaky chair noise out. Donnie's right, don't worry about the guitar, keep learning to play it, as is.......Paul |
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 6 Jun 2012 11:49 am
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| Chuck Blake wrote: |
| I agree with Jack, GFI says "no need to lube your GFI, period"! |
I lubricated my GFI Ultra pedalboard with Triflow and it made a world of difference. The pedals now move smoooothly
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