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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 18 Jul 2002 3:20 pm |
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Sam,
I do not know just how much "music theroy" you do know already, so excuse me if I start at square one here.
#1 - Here is a "chromatic" octive.
(C-C#/Db-D-D#/Eb-E-F-F#/Gb-G-G#/Ab-A/Bb-B-C)
This is playing the note at each fret or every 1/2 step starting on C and ending on C one octive higher, then it repeats again if you go by 1/2 steps or each fret.
You can play this by starting on the 5th stg at the 1st fret and move up 1 fret each time for the next note. You will end up at the 13th fret on the note C, one octive higher that the C note you started on.
#2 - "ALL" major scales follow a set"pattern" of Steps/Notes.
(1-1-1/2-1-1-1-1/2) = "Steps
1 Step = 2 frets & 1/2 Step = 1 fret
Do-Ra-Mi-Fa-So-La-Te-Do
There is only 1/2 step between B-C & E-F.
Thats why the black keys on the piano are arranged the way they are. The notes B & C are both white keys and next to each other.
Same thing with E-F.
#3 - If you apply the "Pattern" of steps to the "Chromatic" octive, you can create "Any" major scale you want.
Example: C Major played on 5th stg.
Notes = C - D - E - F - G - A - B - C
Steps = 1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
Frets = 1 3 5 6 8 10 12 13
Example: G Major played on 4th stg.
Notes = G - A - B - C - D - E - F# - G
Steps = 1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
Frets = 3 5 7 8 10 12 14 15.
Just follow the "Pattern of steps" and start on the note that the scale you want to make is named for.
#4 - Once you have your Major scale, you can find out the 6 most commonly used chords for that "Key" by using this rule.
Pattern: (Major-Minor-Minor-Major-Major-Minor
Chord # 1 2 3 4 5 6
Example: G scale.
Notes: = G - A - B - C - D - E - F# - G
Chords = G - Am -Bm -C - D - Em
(there is a chord for the 7th tone, but I'm trying to keep this simple for now.
When a chord is written as "G", that is a major chord.
When a chord is written as "Am", with the lower case "m" that means it's a Minor chord
To quote Glen Fry on an Eagles song,
"Are you with me so far?"
I could go on to explain how the notes in each chord are found, but my new Fessenden arrived a few days ago and the clock on the wall here at my office says its time to go home and play my new baby some more.
I hope this helps you to understand some basic stuff about scales & chords for them.
I'll check with you tommorrow to see if I can be of more help.
JE:-)>
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Fred Jack
From:
Bastrop, Texas 78602
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Posted 18 Jul 2002 4:32 pm
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| Sam, If its theory you want find a piano teacher, they are usually close by, and learn all the theory you want.If its steel you want to learn learn the "positions" and play the steel.You can use all you learn from piano teacher on the steel. Incidently, somewhere earlier in this thread someone mentioned that "Jeff is teaching how and not why." Thats what we want to learn isn't it? How?? Learn how and take that to a piano teacher and let them enlighten you as to "Why". I'm not going to go into a lengthy debate about Jeff's because Jeff Newman stands very tall on his own! He does not need me or anyone else to defend his integrity, honesty, charactor,( even though he is one). I've known Jeff for 35 years I've always found him to be "up front" and also a heck of a sense of humor. If you can't understand his tapes and they are just no good to you I'd bet if you would send them back to him he would refund your money. |
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William Steward
From:
Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands
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Posted 18 Jul 2002 4:36 pm
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| Sam....what a can of worms you opened...this thread is great for the rest of us frustrated steel learners! I have been ruminating on "disCustered" though and have decided that was the state of the world after Little Big Horn. Cheers, W. |
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Fred Jack
From:
Bastrop, Texas 78602
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Posted 18 Jul 2002 4:39 pm
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P.S. I've read his statement that if your dog chews up a tape he'll replace it free. He replaced one for me because I somehow broke the case on it. You might want to check things out and see if you may just be too damn old to learn! I'm as old as you are and you can bet your bippee I'm not going to waste any time on theory if I can fake it !
You know, how many more gigs are we gonna play? regards, fred |
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 18 Jul 2002 8:15 pm
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| If Jeff is receiving a lot of praise, it's because he's earned it with his deeds and his gentlemanly manner. All I've heard from you is talk, and we all know what that's worth. What have you done lately, besides be very negative and bitter? You get out of the world what you put into it. Have a nice day, sport. |
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Steve Feldman
From:
Central MA USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 5:18 am
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| IN THE PAST FEW DAYS MANY OF YOU HAVE GIVEN JEFF NEWMAN A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF POSITIVE ADVERTISEMENT AND DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT. |
Now, now....Don't be modest. I'm sure you deserve at least some of the credit! |
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Ken Mullett
From:
Bremen, Indiana, USA and Sarasota, FL
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Ray Walker
From:
Smithfield, NC, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 6:18 am
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Boo Miller you are not only a great person but a great musician and a great Steel player. Thanks for takin a stand beside the man who has helped so many. I too have purchased much of Jeff's material. Without it I would not be where I am. It's true that buddies sometimes share tapes and CD's and even perhaps a little of Jeff's tapes. We have all done that. But to offer it up under the quise of helping any person when the real intent to to attempt to deprive the man who actually owns the rights to said program and just because you feel he "snubbed" you is so far off base and outta line that it is pathetic. Jeff, I am quit certain, has invested a considerable amount of time and monies in his business just as I have my business which has nothing to do with steel guitars and music other than the fact that I would not appreciate someone coming behind me giving their skills away which they learned from me just becaused I pissed em off. Guess that's what makes the world turn though. Gordon you sound like a bitter old man. You called yourself an A--Hole. I am not at all sure you typed those letters quite big enough. Boo...thanks for the post and we both know that Jeff doesn't need you or I or anyone else to defend his good name but I also know that not only does Jeff appreciate you but we all do. And by the way I am looking forward to meeting Mark in MTN City.....can he keep up with us during and after the music?????(hehe)
Ray Walker
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Ken Mullett
From:
Bremen, Indiana, USA and Sarasota, FL
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 6:23 am
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| Well said, Ray! |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 6:27 am
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I can't believe I'm gonna chime in here..
All of the teaching aids for Pedal Steel guitar in my opinion teach you how to aquaint yourself with playing music on the Pedal Steel, They do not teach you how to play good music. Try picking up one of those learn piano at home books. After all ,it's just a bunch of black and white keys, how hard could it be? All race cars go a couple of hundred miles an hour. Some drivers could win a race in any car, some drivers may not be able to win a race ever regardless of the car they drive. I attended a Jeff Newman seminar back in the 70's, it set me straight with applying what I already knew on guitar to the Steel. Unfortunately for our Instrument there are way to many required playing elements which must be conquered before you can play any music at all. I do think that one of the biggest mistakes many of the entry level players make is that they acquire too much learning material and jump around from one to the other without actually completing one. We buy tab of a song we heard and like and have a high expectation that we can actually play it and sound good. Well, maybe, maybe not. Remember what the old man in NYC said to the young kid when he asked " How do you get to Carnigie Hall"..
Practice..Practice..Practice ! My limited advise to those that are having difficulty with any element of Steel or any other Instrument is, don't move on to the next step until you have conquered the step you are at right now. Jeff Newman , at least in my experience, has been extremely generous in conversation and assistance, and he plays great too! I doubt that he wants a society of Jeff Newman clones. This is such a great Instrument it's clear why the desire to sound like Buddy or Jeff, etc.. is so strong.IF one is having trouble, a good place to go is back to the beginning and work hard the area's where the issues are.
just my thoughts
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Ken Mullett
From:
Bremen, Indiana, USA and Sarasota, FL
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 6:56 am
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| Sam, tapes, tab, and videos are all a good aid to larning, but someone helping you "in person" is even better. Since there are plenty steelers around you, I urge you to get just a few private lessons. Learning from any kind of media can be boring and frustrating, and it lacks the positive or negative reinforcement that a beginning player really needs. You need someone to tell you "That's real good!", or "That's not quite right." You can't get that kind of guidance from a book or tape. |
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Ken Latchum
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 8:00 am
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Just a few comments about Jeff Newman and his wife Fran. I attended Jeff's beginners (1) week steelguitar couse back in 1984. I bunked down and was taught in the old dark brown Bungalows in Hermitage Tn. I can't begin to tell you what a great experience it was and how professional and friendly Jeff and Fran were to me personally and the rest of the class. His classes were interesting, informative, and personalized. His instruction and classes provided all the necessary tools needed to accomodate the beginner. Tabs,tapes,headphones, everything needed were made available right there. His classes were structured to teach by this method, blackboard first with passed out material to follow along, then demonstrating infront of the class and then practice. Jeff would then go around the class checking on each students progress and assist each student as needed. I can't say enough nice things about Jeff and Fran. It was an experience I will never forget and I hold Jeff's knowledge and expertise in steelguitar instruction in the highest regards. Jeff is of course a fine business man and he has utilized his knowledge and expertise of the Steelguitar to earn a living and his has done so very successfully! I personnally feel that Jeff has "done more" to promote and teach steelguitar than any one (1) individual. So I take my hat off the Jeff and Fran for a job well done. I hope to neutralize all the negitives comments mentioned with more positives because I feel they deserve it. (Note) The only thing Jeff couldn't help me with is the Nerviousness and foot and knee shaking that happens when I attempt to play in front of people. (My personal problem)HA-HA- Right Sam!!!!
Thanks
Ken Latchum
MASGA Member
Associate (MARLEN Steelguitars) [This message was edited by Ken Latchum on 19 July 2002 at 09:16 AM.] |
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Al Miller
From:
Waxahachie Texas
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 8:27 am
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KEN,RAY,TONI a all the rest!!
what you guys have wrote should just about be NUFF SAID!!!! and a good place to close this thread. I will not feed into anymore of this CLOWNS!! post. cause that is just what he wants. he Now knows what all of us think of jeff and Whoever stated jeff dosent need defending is all to right!
MAY GOD help this man with his problem.and lets go steelin.
BOO MILLER
BoB would you please close this thread or ask sam for permission after all he started the thread. I dont know how that works.
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Marco Schouten
From:
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 1:23 pm
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Please don't close it yet. I'm waiting for Jim Eaton's second part.
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Steelin' Greetings
Marco Schouten
Sho-Bud Pro III Custom
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Skip Mertz
From:
N.C. (deceased)
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 2:21 pm
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| Oh, GOOD GRIEF!! |
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Joseph Barcus
From:
Volga West Virginia
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 2:34 pm
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| time for my comment lol I didnt know much about what i was doing other then hitting alot of chords and stepping on the singer, but after three days of 8 hrs per day of nothing but instuction from jeff and all the drinks from his wife, legal drinks of course lol. i came home and i didnt know anything right of way but everyday for the next six months a little soaked in at a time, i feel im a much better player then I ever was. not once did he raise his voice, it was good teaching all along. and id be glad to share with anyone some of my theory or thoughts. thanks too jeff. Joe |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 3:23 pm
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Now for the rest of the theory lesson on how to figure out what notes you need to play for the Major & Minor chords that you have figured out to be in the Key/Scale you want to play in.
#1 - Major chords = 1st-3rd-5th tone's of the scale the chord is named for.
Example: C chord
This chord will be built from the C scale.
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8
C major = 1st-3rd-5th tones of the scale or the notes C-E-G.
Example: G chord
This chord will be built from the G scale.
G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G
1-2-3-4-5-6-7 -8
G major = 1st-3rd-5th tone of the scale or the notes G-B-D
You can built "any" major chord by using this method of using the scale the chord is named for and working out what the 1st-3rd-5th tones are. You have to work out the scale for each "Key", but it will soon become easy as you do it more often .
#2 - Minor chords = 1st-b3rd-5th tone of the scale. (b=flatted or lowered in pitch by 1/2 step/1-fret.
Example: Cm (m=Minor)
Scale = C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8
Cm = 1st-b3rd-5th tones of the scale or the notes C-Eb-G
Example: Am
Scale = A-B-C#-D-E-F#-G#-A
1-2-3 -4-5-6 -7 -8
Am = 1st-b3rd-5th tones of the A scale or the notes A-C-E.
These are the formulas for Major & Minor chords. They are the basic chord forms that all other "extended" chords are built on.
Once you can work out these two chord forms from the scales, you will be well on your way to being able to work out the notes to play for extended chords also, they just have more scale notes included in the chord forms.
I don't know everything there is to know about this, but I have gotten alot of folks started playing music that they want to play on all the different instruments that I play and have given lessons on for the past 20+ years. I hope this can be of use to someone here on the forum.
Got to run now, I hear my Fessy-a-callin!
JE:-)>
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 4:53 pm
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Gordon,
I don't know anything about Jeff's teaching stuff, but I plan to give it a try. Way too many people have spoken way too highly of jeff to ignore him. Now, a question for you, Gordon---ARE YOU DRUNK, OR JUST OUT OF YOUR MIND? |
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Ken Latchum
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 5:15 pm
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Gordon! You are the guy that Jeff ought to send a thank you note. You are the one that stirred up the all the feathers and brought forth all his supporters with Millions of Dollars of free positive,supportive remarks. Just think if it hadn't been for you he would have only got a couple of hunderd dollars worth! Ha-Ha-Ha
Ken |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 7:29 pm
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Hmm. Maybe Gordon is really Jeff, just pretending to be a bitter old drunk, just to improve sales...
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Lee, from South Texas |
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Marco Schouten
From:
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 19 Jul 2002 10:34 pm
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| THANX JIM |
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Sam White R.I.P.
From:
Coventry, RI 02816
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Posted 20 Jul 2002 6:06 am
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OK guys enought of thi kid suff. Gordon for a 77 year old you act like your in your second child hood.Don.t bother to E-Mail me or send me any thing as I do not need your kind.I have a bunch of guys E-Mailing me telling me what I need to know and it is working.If Jeff Newman is on the forum I want to Apologize for this thread geyying out of hand.I did not know I opened up a can of worms and Gordon got his chance and used me to do it.Also Gordon if you could only play 1/4 as good as Al Miller Boo you would be some thing this guy is one of the best around.Don't miss under stand what I was trying to say.But it was exsplained to me what Jeff was doing on the vidio by a freind Ray Walker and now I under stand what he is doing.I think Gordon should just get off the FORUM if that is all he wants to do is pick up Stuff on innosent People.Who needs him.
Sam white |
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