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Topic: Bar Scrape??? |
Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 17 May 2012 5:19 am |
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Am I just too anal? I have only been playing PSG for a few months, but have been playing guitar for 40 years. I work to avoid bar scrape, a while back I saw a steel player and I could hear bar scrape from 40 feet away. Last night I was watching a guy who gives lessons on you tube and the bar scrape was so bad I had to shut it off. Are there players that just ignore bar scrape? Seems odd or is it just to each his own? 
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Carl Kilmer
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East Central, Illinois
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Posted 17 May 2012 5:38 am
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I think you'll find most of the bar scrape sound can
be attributed to either to the type of bar your using,
or strings you use, or a combinations of both of these.
I never get any bar slide noise on either of my Ritt's. 
I'm not a great player, but listen to some of my tunes
on Youtube at (lucky5774) and see if you can here any.
Carl "Lucky" Kilmer
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 17 May 2012 5:56 am
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Very nice Carl. Will go back and listen some more.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 May 2012 8:18 am
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Insufficient bar pressure will also give lotsa scrape.
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Josh Yenne
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Sonoma California
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Posted 17 May 2012 10:02 am
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Yup... poor technique will give bar scrape..
If you want NO scrape just get one of the Acetal bars... crap forgetting the name of them right now... I even own one... one I bought and one my buddy made for me which is just as good....
someone help me out?
They are dead quite and SLICK... I used one exclusively for a long while... although now my go to bar is actually metal again....I like the "growl" you get off the strings with a stainless bar... but I keep the plastic one in my seat just for the option. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 4:17 am
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It is more pronounced on a 12 string due to the big lower strings.
I use TriBo Tone Bars and that is just one reason I like them very much.
http://tribotone.com/
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Josh Yenne
From:
Sonoma California
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Posted 18 May 2012 4:19 am
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Bingo Ken... Tribo-Tone
thats what i was trying to find... |
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Carl Kilmer
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East Central, Illinois
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Posted 18 May 2012 5:37 am
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Niels, Thanks for the nice comment. I have always used the
Emmons SIT strings, and changed to the GHS Professional's.
They are smoother, stay in tune, and last a lot longer.
I used a 3/4" BJS bar, and the GHS strings on all of the videos.
Carl
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Kirk Eipper
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Arroyo Grande, Ca.
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Posted 18 May 2012 8:17 am
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1 word...........technique
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 18 May 2012 8:37 pm
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You summed it up Kirk.
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Rick Myrland
From:
New Orleans
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Posted 20 May 2012 6:06 am
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I recently posted about the same issue and had some good responses, but it wasn't unlit last night that I was truly able to fix my particular problem. I had horrible scrape on the intro to Josh Turner's Firecracker song, which takes a slide from 14 to 7 to 2 fret. Somewhere around the 5th fret bar scrape would overtake the desired strings. I realized it was strings 9 and 10 that were a problem, so I put my thumb on those strings BEHIND the bar, in other words, on the right side of the bar, to completely mute them -- problem solved.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 20 May 2012 6:12 am
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That sounds awkward. I'd consider putting the tip of the right ring finger on 9 and 10 during the slide rather than changing my grip on the bar.
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 20 May 2012 6:28 am
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I am having a little problem envisioning using your thumb, what helped me was a video by Zane King that mentions arm position. It does not take much down pressure to silence the scrape, usually just the weight of your arm.
Also on a U-12 string larger diameter strings on the bass added to my occasional scraping. I changed to the diameters that Reece Anderson recommended and it made things a lot better.
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John Polstra
From:
Lopez Island, WA, USA
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Posted 20 May 2012 8:02 am
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| Rick Myrland wrote: |
| I realized it was strings 9 and 10 that were a problem, so I put my thumb on those strings BEHIND the bar, in other words, on the right side of the bar, to completely mute them -- problem solved. |
What works better for me is to mute the unused lower strings with the right hand. E.g., if I'm playing on strings 1-6, I rest the side of my right hand on the lower strings to keep them silent. (It's not really "resting"; it's muting.)
Muting the strings with the left thumb works, too, but if you are moving the bar then the thumb slides along the strings with it. That creates a little bit of "thumb scrape".
John |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 20 May 2012 1:50 pm
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| I have only been playing PSG for a few months...I work to avoid bar scrape, a while back I saw a steel player and I could hear bar scrape from 40 feet away. Last night I was watching a guy who gives lessons on you tube and the bar scrape was so bad I had to shut it off. |
While it may poor technique that's causing the noises you're hearing, I suspect you're too inexperienced to even know what to listen for, yet. You could easily be overlooking good stuff while focusing on some minor bad point. Do we stop listening to the old blues masters because their guitars were out of tune?
That said, keep in mind that some players on YouTube who are "giving lessons" should be taking lessons, instead. Not everyone who offers to help is an expert, but that's true in any walk of life. I'd suggest you try to align yourself with a local player who's reputed to be very good, as he can give you insights that might take you many years to gather on your own. Pedal steel is an instrument that has very little in common with regular guitar, so there is much you'll have to re-learn to get a good grasp on the instrument. |
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