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Topic: Restring S12 to a S10 |
Tom Campbell
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 May 2012 12:26 pm |
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Have any of you 12 string players restrung your guitar to a 10 string? If so, did you balance your fret board by stringing from key 2 through key 11...or did you just not string key 11 and 12?
I play a S12 and never use strings 11 and 12...simply because the music I play doesn't require them. I probably should have switched to a S10 years ago.
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 2 May 2012 12:36 pm
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Unless you plan to "re-rod" the guitar and move all the bellcranks over one string, I'd say that just leaving 11 & 12 off would be the most simple way to go.
JE:-)>
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 May 2012 12:58 pm
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OMG...Moving the strings over would demand a complete re-roding. Nooo...I think leaving off the bottom two strings is the way-to-go.
Thanks for the reply! |
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Roual Ranes
From:
Atlanta, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 May 2012 1:46 pm
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 May 2012 2:12 pm
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Why, well I could think of two reasons. First, if you play in a band context, those bottom two seldom get used, since they're sharing frequency territory with bass, guitar, and L/H keyboards. They'll often clash with same unless you twang it up considerably. Second, some players (me included) have a hard time playing anything more than a 10-string setup. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's just takes getting used to.  But like you said...
Why???????
You see, I can remember back in the late 60's, when the 12-string concept came about. I thought hard about it then, dumping the D10 for an S12 of some iteration.
And then...
And then, I heard Curly Chalker, and I knew instantly that I'd never need more than ten strings. 
MY2CENTS, anyhow.
p.s. One more thing - There's also about 10 times as much learning material for 10-string guitars. That might also influence a prospective player |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 2 May 2012 2:43 pm
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Tom,
Do you drop your low B-string (string 12) to A, on the A-Pedal?
That alone might open up your interest for those strings in an E9th context.
fwiw, I've seen an S14U played as an S12U by taking off strings 1 and 14.
It was just lucky it worked out that way... no re-rodding requiered.
It is true that you don't need the bottom two strings on S12U for alot of E9th things played by other players.
But my style would be lacking without them for many things.
My whole E9th Travis/Atkins schtick would be impossible as I now know and love it.
My ability to play and sing songs "solo" on PSG for friends and family would be over, as I now know it.
I had only been playing an S10 about a year when I went to my first Newman week long seminar, so I really had no D10 or S10 methodology engrained in my playing at that time.
Jeff was hot on S12U and I wanted to play some 6th stuff (Only had an S10 3x1). The rest is history.
I try to avoid sounding like other players so that is part of it, too. |
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 May 2012 3:26 pm
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Pete
When I started 10 yrs. ago I had a D-10. Took me a couple of month to realize I was going to be a prospect for U12/S12.
My copedent is patterned after yours...1 C#, 2 G#, 3 F#, 4 E, etc. I never really got into the B6 (C6) material and therefore haven't paid much attention to strings 11 and 12.
I have no intention string up the standard E9, 10 string copedent...I'll just drop off strings 11,12. I've reduced the U12 to 5 knees and 5 pedals. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 2 May 2012 4:07 pm
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That's cool, Tom.
I get it.
Pete |
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Jim Priebe
From:
Queensland, Australia - R.I.P.
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Posted 2 May 2012 4:31 pm
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I agree with Donny - the frequencies used on the 11/12 strings are pretty useless in a band situation.
Another issue for me is I change from my U10 to a U12 and it is difficult to adjust your grips quickly. So I took the bottom two strings off the U12 and when I get asked why I just say "I was breaking too many of them with over use" 
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