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Topic: C6 jump start? |
Al Carey
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 9:58 am |
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Right now, I'm in the middle of Jeff Newman's Right Hand Alpha course, and making good progress. But I have that mysterious and oh-so-cool sounding C6 neck staring at me.
Eventually, I will buy a C6 course and dive into it in depth, but right now, I'm wondering if there are easy beginner tips? For example, on the E9 neck I could tell any musician:
"it's tuned to an open E, the 1st 2 pedals give you a IV chord". That person could then play a I IV V progression on just 2 frets.
Is there anything that simple on the c6 neck? I've gotten some grips from a Herby Wallace article in the old SG magazine, but having only one fret to play a given chord isn't satisfying me. 
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Zeke Cory
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 12:20 pm Just Like E9th ...
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Any open fret, say fret 12, a C chord. pedal 6 changes you to a IV chord, up 2 frets to a V chord.
Also ... Fret 12, C chord, down 2 frets to fret 10 with pedal 5 is a C7th. Down 3 more frets, to fret 7 with pedal 6 is also a C chord. So you have a C open at 12, a C at fret 10 with pedal 5, and a C at fret 7 with pedal 6. Learn that move. Open, down 2, down 3. It will get ya started moving around a bit. When one thing falls into place, it seems a bunch of others do as well. You will see the same open "fret" groups work together as they do in E9th also. Like fret 5, 10, & 12 in the key of F (F, Bb, C). Its the same for other keys as well, say the key of E - fret 4 is E, fret 9 is A, and fret 11 is B. Same number of movements up and down. Get used to playing pedals 5 & 6 as your "home pedals", just like A & B on E9th neck.. Move left to pedal 4 and right to pedal 7 & 8 if you need but always come "home" to the 5 & 6 pedals. Just keep playing around and you will sometimes discover more by accident than on purpose. Best of Luck in your journey. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 12:30 pm
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And there's a V chord 2 frets down with P8. From strings 10-4, everything is an A7, I either raise 3 to C# or flatten it to a B, and there's a fifth on 2.
I sat a blues guitar playing friend of mine at it, and he had credible solos in three minutes
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Al Carey
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Dublin, NH USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 4:52 pm Re: Just Like E9th ...
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| Zeke Cory wrote: |
Any open fret, say fret 12, a C chord. pedal 6 changes you to a IV chord, up 2 frets to a V chord.<snip>
Get used to playing pedals 5 & 6 as your "home pedals", just like A & B on E9th neck.. Move left to pedal 4 and right to pedal 7 & 8 if you need but always come "home" to the 5 & 6 pedals. Just keep playing around and you will sometimes discover more by accident than on purpose. Best of Luck in your journey. |
Thanks for that, Zeke. That's given me a bit of a running start.
At first blush the C6 tuning seems a lot less straightforward than E9, at least in terms of grips i.e. not having the consistent group of strings 3-6 being almost always "right" notes.
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Al Carey
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Dublin, NH USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 4:56 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
And there's a V chord 2 frets down with P8. From strings 10-4, everything is an A7, I either raise 3 to C# or flatten it to a B, and there's a fifth on 2.
I sat a blues guitar playing friend of mine at it, and he had credible solos in three minutes |
Now I really feel bad  I've been plucking away for a lot more than 3 minutes!
I guess my copedent is different from yours- the only change on string 3 is P7 raising it C->D
Thanks for the info, Lane!
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Al Carey
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Dublin, NH USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 5:09 pm
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[quote="Al Carey"]
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I guess my copedent is different from yours- the only change on string 3 is P7 raising it C->D
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Correction: I have the RKR lever which lowers the 3rd string C->B
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Lane Gray
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 5:22 pm
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See, if you already play some bottleneck, like he had, simple slide stuff falls right in there. He wasn't playing like a steel, it was slide blues sound, with power chords
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Zeke Cory
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 1:53 am More changes common to both tunings ...
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The C6th layout has more in common with the E9th that you will be familiar with …
Also like on the E9th, you will find the relative minors at the relative chord positions. Fret 12 is open C chord. A minor is there as well, (A, C, E).
F chord is at fret 5, or 17. D minor is there.
G chord is at fret 7 or 19. E minor is there.
On string groups, it seems the C6th is a bit more flexible. Most strings will work in most places. Experiment with different groups to find the sounds you like. For the "open" positions, stay away from the ninth string. That seems to work best in the pedaled mode.
If you have a extra knee lever, consider hooking up a string 3 – C to C# raise. This is also like E9th in that you can raise string 3 to C# and use it with pedal 5 – up three frets from any open position. Again, say fret 12 is an open C chord. Fret 15 is now a C chord with the string 3 knee lever raise and pedal 5 engaged., and it gives you the sound of having a high “G “ note on the top of the chord. (Many players have changed the open tuning top note from a G note to a D note). This is like the up 3 A pedal & F lever combination on the E9th tuning.
Remember too ... The open chord, to - down 2 frets with pedal 5, to down 3 frets with pedal 6 move in my first post, be sure to work on going BOTH ways - up & down. That will give your foot a workout and help get you used to changing pedals without looking.
Unlike the E9th, the C6th has more pedals and this did take me some adjustment time to get used to. When I started remembering to always use pedals 5 & 6 as my home base, it got more natural with time. Keep at it. It seems really complex at first, but it comes with time. I read on here where someone (I can't remember who said it) wrote that the C6th is actually easier to play - but "sounds" harder. At first I had my doubts, but that has proven to be spot on true. The complex sound this neck is capable of is due to the tuning and pedal setup combination. You will begin to see that once you get just under the ice cap. You will get there sooner than you think. |
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Howard Steinberg
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 3:33 am
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C6 is like a cornucopia of great sounds that are just waiting for you. The tips already posted will make you pretty functional to start off with. You should be careful or at least aware of the 9th string which in a non-chord tone in open C6 tuning.
I have always mentally transposed what I was playing 2 steps up. If I'm playing in C I think in E, which, for me, avoids confusion.
I've found the Neil Flanz C6 chord dictionary to be a helpful resource. Good luck. Howard
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CrowBear Schmitt
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 6:48 am
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the C6 tuning at fret 0, no pedals, no levers is 2 chords in 1
C6 w: root on string 10 ( yes you do have an Am too )
F maj7 w: root on string 9 |
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Zeke Cory
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Hinsdale, New York USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 7:42 am Greetings Crowbear !
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| It is nice to see you again here. I hope you are well. Maybe you can fill in some information here. I shyed away from string 9 purposely so as not to further confuse the matter this early for Al. I am sure you can better explain this than I can. Best Regards. Zeke |
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Marc Orleans
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 9:14 am
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the C6 tuning at fret 0, no pedals, no levers is 2 chords in 1
C6 w: root on string 10 ( yes you do have an Am too )
F maj7 w: root on string 9 |
With the ninth string as your root if you use c as an example your seventh fret is your c maj 7 Th pos. If you depress pedal 6 you have a big c9th chord. Open and not using the 9th string as your root you have g6th or the v chord of c. Try working c major runs out of that position. Also check this stuff out.
http://www.buddyemmons.com/Pockets.htm
This should really help. I'm not an expert by any means but this stuff has helped allot with getting a feel for the back neck.
Have fun and explore!
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Al Carey
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Dublin, NH USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 5:40 pm
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Thanks to everyone for all the great tips and help. I have plenty to work on in between my Newman exercises!
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CrowBear Schmitt
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Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 11:16 pm
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Hi Zeke, indicating the use of string 9 is primordial
not to be omitted even at the git
Marc O has some very good pointers |
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John Ely
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Minneapolis Minnesota, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2012 5:58 am Jeff Newman C6 material
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Al, I think you're getting excellent comments about C6. If you like Jeff Newman's Right Hand Alpha course, you would probably like his C6 courses also. His first course, The C6th Workshop, demonstrates and lets you hear a lot of the things Zeke has described about the basics of pedals and postions. His second C6 course, C6th & Swinging, demonstrates and teaches in a clear way about "pockets" of notes, much the same as Marc pointed out in his link to Buddy Emmon's site.
I think Jeff's stuff in this regard is great teaching.
Good luck in all you're doing.
John
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