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Topic: Strings 5 & 6 raise. |
Gary Arnold
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Panhandle of Florida, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2012 7:10 pm |
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I saw a copedent on the forum and the 4th pedal raised 5 & 6, B to C# and G# to A. How would you use it? Thanks  |
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Tony Williamson
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 2:11 am
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| I don't think you need it.better uses for a pedal. You can f#m sound with the b and c. And other strings. Id go ahead and do a 5 and 6 drop or a 1 and 2 raise with an extra pedal. |
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 2:14 am
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| A and b will do it too...only difference would be 8...I just don't think it would worth the pedal to raise 8. |
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 2:19 am
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| I think I read it wrong. Its early and I can't see good yet. Maybe they had a franklin change on the first pedal. Then pedals 2..3..4 were std. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 3:17 am
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I have seen 6 to B and 7 to G# before.
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 3:51 am
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| I don't know about raising 6 to A,I lower 6 to F#,Billy Cooper uses it on "Healing Hands Of Time" along with the B pedal very effectively. |
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Dan Galysh
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Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 4:48 am
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| This dedicated pedal leaves the 10th string at B. You get a B eleventh on strings 10 ,6, 5 and 4, open. Think 4 chord with a 5 in the bass. Also an A major seventh, open on 6, 5, 4 and 3. Some nice, modern sounds with this pedal. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 7:19 am
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Isn't this the original Bud Isaacs change that ended up getting split into what we have now? Outside of Dan's comment about the 10th string staying at B, I see no reason to have it. OOPS... Missed Dan's comment about the major 7th. That would be cool, I guess, but still wouldn't put it on my guitar.
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Tony Williamson
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 7:43 am
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| Dan you're right. I do that on guitar all the time. Teach me to answer something when I wake up at 5 am. I still don't know if I could dedicate a pedal to to that. Why not use a and b pedals and just unhook 10 for the song? |
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Shawn Renoll
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 7:48 am
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| Gary,I have this change on my 4th pedal, but I'm finding I'm not using much at all. I'm open to some suggestions for what to do with this pedal also. |
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Dan Galysh
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Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 8:39 am
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| I don't have this change on my guitars. I do lower 10 to A on a knee and split it with the A pedal to get the B note on string 10. Understandably, some people would have no need for this change. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 1:04 pm
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I love this change - it gives me a 4 chord with a 5th on the 10th string. It also gives a major 7th playing 6,5,4,3.
Certainly there are other ways to get these combinations but, for me, this one makes more sense than the Franklin pedal as a 'fourth choice'.
I know it as the 'Isaacs Pedal' - that's what Dave Robbins and Jimmie Crawford called it, anyway. I have it on both my guitars.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 1:06 pm
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I just saw Dan's post - glad to see someone agrees with me! That's unusual around here.
I often have to find those slightly more 'modern' sounding changes in my work. For me this pedal is a big 'missing link'.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 1:52 pm
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| I love this change - it gives me a 4 chord with a 5th on the 10th string. |
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If the pedal changes 4, 5, 6, 8 to an A chord, isn't the B on the 10th string the 9th (or 2nd) of the A chord.
The B on 10 is the fifth tone of the E chord with no pedals.
Enlighten me...
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 1:59 pm
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'A 4 chord (A) over a 5th in the bass - a B note! All in the key of E. If I talk of a '4' chord, the key is implied.
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Gary Arnold
From:
Panhandle of Florida, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 3:28 pm 5 & 6
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Thanks guys, I have the Franklin pedal my self, I saw the 5 & 6 raised on some one elses copedent and it caught my eye.......Thanks, Gary  I'm really sad today after hearing that "Herby" passed, he was a good friend of mine, I just talked to him on the phone a few nights ago for an hour about the new G2's  |
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Chris Reesor
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 6 Apr 2012 3:50 pm 4/5 chord
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I love that chord too. That 4/5 to 2nd inversion tonic resolve has a real gospel flavour, to me. I use it in "People Get Ready" and "Tupelo Honey",for example.
You can think of it as a B11, voiced R b7 9 11; it's a great sounding dominant sub.
Another use just occurred to me. If placed beside the C pedal, with a split on the E lower,you can play a mi to mi/ma7 to mi7 to mi6 cadence a little more smoothly and easily than changing from BC to AB halfway. Just use C + Isaacs and rock off the C pedal.
I'm just setting up an Excel Superb U12 I recently bought and have been trying to decide what to do with P4.Think I'll give it a try. I know the close voiced maj7 on 6,5,4,3 will be useful too.
Thanks, guys.
Chris
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Tony Williamson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2012 1:51 pm
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| man that sounds complicated. i dont understand that language at all. but this chord is cool on a guitar coming from a 4/5. just make a F chord with a G base, drop the third string to the first fret to make it a minor, and leave strings 2 and 1 open. now this is on a guitar. can it be made on a steel ? |
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Chris Reesor
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 4:26 am yes it can
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10 string E9, A+F, third fret, top four notes are on strings 9,8,6,5. You can get the low root on string 12 on ext. E9 if you back off the F lever tuning nut on that string. My uni 12, same deal except the root is on string 11 and one more lever is required to get the F on string nine.
The chord is G13b9, BTW. Try resolving it to Cmi9, or Cmaj9. Check out Wave played by Joao Gilberto for a real treat.
Cheers, Chris
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Gary Arnold
From:
Panhandle of Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2012 8:47 am Re: 5&6 Raise
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b0b, You can close this one down, thanks   gka |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 18 Apr 2012 4:08 am
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Great change... I had it on my BMI and loved it. I used it all the time for "Buds Bounce" or other things needing the "Issacs" sound. You could save wear and tear on your third strings life.
One move I really like is if you're in the key of C at the 8th fret, just depress that pedal to go to the Fmaj7 and then lower the 5th string B a half tone against that pedal (won't work on a push pull), let off both back to open C. A very pretty move for an ending or wherever you wish to use it....JH in Va.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Apr 2012 5:39 am
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How quickly we forget, Jerry.
Push-pull and pull-release players (and all-pull players fond of hitting the "blue notes" at times) just half pedal.
I like your examples of its use.
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Joe Miraglia
From:
Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 18 Apr 2012 3:33 pm Re: Strings 5 & 6 raise.
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| Gary Arnold wrote: |
| I saw a copedent on the forum and the 4th pedal raised 5 & 6, B to C# and G# to A. How would you use it? Thanks |
Garry, I have that change on pedal 4. With pedal 5 Strings 7 and 6 raise F# to G#,G# to B. that gives a E6th. The alvino Ray sound. Use 4&5 pedals with F knee lever there is the 7th. There is more I get with the set up. Also 9th. string is open C#. |
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