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Topic: Hot Burrito # 1 What's the chord? |
Robert Todd
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Atlanta, Georgia USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 5:48 am |
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My band is wroking up the Gram Parsons tune Hot Burrito #1 and there is a chord that is E B D# G B E
For the life of me that looks like a Em maj 7 Anyone care to comment, also where does it lie on a E9 tuning? |
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 13 May 2002 5:59 am
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I dunno, but it ought to be a #1 chord, doncha think?  |
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Robert Todd
From:
Atlanta, Georgia USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 6:18 am
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You'd think so wouldn't ya 
Hey Jim I heard there were almost a thousand starving comedians there in Philadelphia and here you are a steel guitarist of national note keeping them out of work. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 6:55 am
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Minor chords with major seventh are not unusual. But the voicing you mentioned is weird. Especially repellent is the interval of the minor ninth between the D# and the high E, which so enchanted Aaron Copland while chafing at the sensitive ear of this picker.
I have not heard the context in which this chord is played, but a possible consideration is that it is an accident or clumsy error. The voicing can be played with only two fingers, and looks like what would happen if a drunken gorilla reached for a bottle of whisky and grabbed a Telecaster by mistake. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 7:06 am
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Sounds like a demented to me! 
Uff-Da! |
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Jeff Lampert
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queens, new york city
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Posted 13 May 2002 7:24 am
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| To play an Em-maj7 chord on E9, or anywhere else for that matter, play a G augmented chord, and make sure the bass-player is playing an E note, or you stick in a low E note. [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 13 May 2002 at 08:26 AM.] |
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J Fletcher
From:
London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 13 May 2002 7:30 am
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| I play an Emin maj 7th at the 10th fret, A and B pedals down, raise my 4th string with my F lever, and play strings 7, 6, 5, 4...a cool sounding minor chord. Thanks to my friend Mike for that one....Jerry |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 13 May 2002 7:33 am
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| Where's Neil Flanz when ya need him? |
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Robert Todd
From:
Atlanta, Georgia USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 7:40 am
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Earnest, this song is a love song that is a ballad, almost jazz ish. There are a lot of passing chords involved and this is one of them.
Jeff thanks, I saw the D# as the G augmented, in truth a G6 Augmented so I should hit the G B and D# let the bass player get the low E.
I know that chord 3 places 3 AX (the split) 6 ABF and 10 ABF any others?
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 8:39 am
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Robert,
I have studied that tune, but I don't remember the chord you describe. Where is it in the song (and what key are you in)?
There are a few odd changes in the song, but I don't think there are any really strange chords. It's a beautiful song, though. One of my favorites.
The Flying Burrito Bros. bass player (Chris Ethridge) stumbled around a lot. Maybe he's throwing you off.
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Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (F Diatonic) Sierra Laptop 8 (D13), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6)[This message was edited by Bobby Lee on 13 May 2002 at 09:41 AM.] |
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Robert Todd
From:
Atlanta, Georgia USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 8:52 am
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| Bobby I'll post it tonight from homw when I have the chart in front of me. |
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Kevin Macneil Brown
From:
Montpelier, VT, USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 8:56 am
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My friend Alex, a jazz bassist who knows these things, immediately called it an E Jazz Minor (which he says traditionally has a flat 3 and natural 7th)
My 6th chord-addled brain saw it as G6 augmented...At any rate, it is certainly a dissonant spicy chord, as befits a burrito... |
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Jeff Lampert
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queens, new york city
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Posted 13 May 2002 9:11 am
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| looks like what would happen if a drunken gorilla reached for a bottle of whisky |
A gorilla walks into a bar, hands the bartender a $100 bill, and asks for a bottle of whiskey. The bartender figures that the gorilla doesn't know much, so he hands the gorilla the bottle and 15 cents change. A waitress stops by the gorilla, and says "we don't see too many gorillas around here". The gorilla says "well, at $99.85 for a bottle of booze, I ain't coming back either". |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 13 May 2002 9:59 am
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FWIW, chord/lyric chart can be found here.
It's charted in F, so you may be playing it in a different key (?)
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Emmons D-10 9x9, 1971 Dobro
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 13 May 2002 4:21 pm
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That chart is missing about a lot of the chords, Larry, and some of them are just plain wrong.
Where's Neil?
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Robert Todd
From:
Atlanta, Georgia USA
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Posted 14 May 2002 6:13 am
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Here's how my bass player charted it in D
D Dmaj7
You may be sweet and nice
Am D#dim
But that won't keep you warm at night
Em EmMaj7
Cause I'm the one who showed you how
Em7 A
to do the things you're doing now
D Dmag7
He may feel all your charms
Am D#dim
He may hold you in his arms
Em A G A
But I'm the one who let you in I was right beside you then
D D#dim Em D#dim
G Fdim D Bm
Once upon a time you let me feel you deep inside
E Em
And nobody knew and nobody saw
A
Do you remember the way you cried
D Dmaj7
I'm your toy I'm your old boy
Am D#dim
But I don't want no-one but you
Em A
To love me no I wouldn't lie
G A D
You know I'm that kind of guy
(b0b fixed formatting)[This message was edited by b0b on 14 May 2002 at 11:48 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 14 May 2002 10:52 am
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Yeah, the EmMaj7 is the right chord, but I'd put the D# in the top octave. The inversion is probably something like: E B E G B D# G
On steel, you could think of it as a G augmented (G B D# in any combination) and just let the bass player hold down the E root.
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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs
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Marc Friedland
From:
Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 14 May 2002 10:47 pm
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Robert, This may be outside the normal, but another to way to look at is as a
B+ Sus4
B = root
D# = 3rd
G = Sharp 5
E = Sus 4th
One way to play it on a standard E9 would be:
Fret 2
Strings 6 5 4 3 2
Engage A & B Pedals
Engage E to F KL (for me it's LL)
Engage Eb to D KL (for me it's RR)
String 6 = B
String 5 = Eb
String 4 = G
String 3 = B
String 2 = E
-- Marc
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Dave Birkett
From:
Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 15 May 2002 8:03 am
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| A minor with a major 7th isn't that unusual in pop and jazz. It's the second chord in My Funny Valentine. Miles Davis substitutes a bVI7/V7#5 progression for it, which progresses nicely to the ib7. |
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Buck Dilly
From:
Branchville, NJ, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 May 2002 1:01 pm
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| I thought that this one was in F major. It is my favorite Gram tune. Chord partials work fine as long as your bass player has the root. As I racall Pete plays a lot of octaves and partials in this. On E9 try fret #2 strings 5,6, 8, 9 with pedals a and b and lever F, if my thinking is correct. Another option is strings 6, 7, 9 and 10, on fret 5, with no pedals- then (if you have it-mine is verticle: B's to Bb). I could be way off though. [This message was edited by Buck Dilly on 15 May 2002 at 02:02 PM.] |
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Jeff Lampert
From:
queens, new york city
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Posted 15 May 2002 4:57 pm
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| Miles Davis substitutes a bVI7/V7#5 progression for it, which progresses nicely to the ib7 |
Dave, I don't follow. Use a real example please, with real chord names. Thanks. |
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Buck Dilly
From:
Branchville, NJ, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 16 May 2002 6:56 pm
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My Funny Valantine and other standards use this progression frequently:
Rm///RmM7/// Rm7/// Rm add6/// which is nice on C6. I use an LKL that lowers A's to Ab, with Root on string 9. This lever has many other uses. This chord is indispensible for standards.
[This message was edited by Buck Dilly on 16 May 2002 at 07:58 PM.] |
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Neil Flanz
From:
Austin, Texas (deceased)
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Posted 17 May 2002 8:35 am
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| Robert, On the "Northern Steel" and the "Still Safe At Home" Porch Picker album, we played Hot Burrito # 1 and we also did it in the key of D. For this chord I played a G aug at the third fret but first (all at the third fret) I played an E minor for the previous chord with my A pedal all the way down than used a half pedal to get a G augmented for the chord that your talking about then followed that chord with a G (no pedals) and then played an A 9th by lowering my B's to Bb. The bass player played a G note From "I'm the one that showed you how" right up to the word "now" in the line "to do the things you're doing now" where the bass then plays an "A" note against my "A 9th". Hope this helps. Thanks Jimbeaux for bringing this thread to my attention. |
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Robert Todd
From:
Atlanta, Georgia USA
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Posted 17 May 2002 9:24 am
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| Thanks Neil, that sounds really pretty. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 17 May 2002 9:32 am
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Hah! So I was right all along! Neil says it's a Gaug (G,B,D#) and I said it was a #1, just as the name implies!
So #1 in the key of D is D# (D#,G,A#) which, my friends, is awfully similar to Gaug (see above). Just raise the 5 on my chord for a #1aug chord and you've got it! ROTFLMAO!
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