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Topic: Splits |
Alan Bidmade
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Newcastle upon Tyne UK
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Posted 20 Mar 2012 10:15 am |
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I'm a newcomer to the wonderful world of psg. My current copedent seems to be pretty standard as far as floor pedals and left knee and LKV levers are concerned. On the other side, RKL drops G# to F# and RKR drops D# to D.
Most modern copedents seem to have a split on the second string giving D or C#. The other change seems to be to add a raise to the RKL to raise the 1st string to G or G# and opinion and practice seems to be divided on this. I also understand that splits cannot be fitted to all types of psg, just to add to the confusion.
Finally, I note the most common 'split' seems to be the half-pedal on the A pedal - where there is no split fitted guitars, as far as I can see.
Is it that you can't put a split on a pedal? If you can, why put splits anywhere - why not trust to practice and luck to hit a half-lever on r leg levers?
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 20 Mar 2012 10:26 am
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My guitar copedents are: LKL-raise 4-8 to F
LKR-lower 4-8,RKL-lower 6/raise-2,RKR-raise 1-G#,lower2 C#, raise 7 G this is Buddy Emmons copedent on TSGF copedents link except for the raise 7 to G,most raise 1 & 7 to G# on RKR A B C are standard Emmons Copedent.My Vert. lowers 5-6. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 20 Mar 2012 10:51 am
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the Eb to D (& then on to C# for some) is NOT a split
it's a "feel stop " or " half stop "
on many psgs the Eb to D is tuned on string 9 via it's nylon tuner
what you are actually setting is the D note in tune so that string 9 can then lower
(the lower C# usually has it's own nylon tuner that you can tune first) |
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2012 11:01 am
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Crowbear got it: a "split" is different than a "half-stop."
The half-stop is what most have on their 2nd string. You push the lever until it hits a slight resistance -- that's the 'D' note -- push a little harder and it continues on down to 'C#'.
A "split" is where you activate both a raise and a lower at the same time that both effect the same string and get some new note.
The example you mentioned would involve the 5th string. If you raise the 5th a whole step with the A-pedal, and then lower it a half-step with a knee lever, the resultant note is a "C."
The point of a split is that it should be 'tunable'... different brands of guitars use a different method, but you have to have a way to get it in tune, either by using screws at the end of the changer or having an extra nylon tuner/pull-rod installed on the 5th string finger.
Aside from the 5th string split, another common one is to split the 6th string. The B-pedal's half-tone raise used along with a knee lever that lowers the 6th a whole tone (G# down to F#) will give you a "G" note. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 20 Mar 2012 11:58 am
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On an all-pull guitar, you should be able to add a split to any string you like (disclaimer: this would be for changes with double or triple raise/lower changers and not ones like the Sho~Bud rack and barrel). I have a split on string 5 and one on string 6.
You would need another pull rod for the lever that lowers the string. You would add this pull rod to the bell crank (pull bar) that activates the lower. It is hooked up to raise the string a slight amount. When you activate the lower lever, the raise doesn't affect the pull. When you activate the raise pedal and the lower lever, the new rod will adjust the split note (Which will probably be flat). The procedure for tuning the string is:
1. Tune string open at the tuning key head.
2. Tune the raised note.
3. Press both the pedal and lever together to get the split note. Tune this note with nylon hex nut that would normally tune the lower (through one of the lowering finger holes in the changer).
4. Let off the pedal and tune the fully lowered note with the new nylon hex nut and tune the lowered note.
Of course, if your guitar has hole drilled behind the changer for set screw (meaning your guitar already has split capabilities), you just need to use those, although I don't know how they work.
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2012 12:40 pm Re: Splits
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| Alan Bidmade wrote: |
| Is it that you can't put a split on a pedal? |
Sorry, I didn't answer this part of the question. Due to confusion in terminology, you were really asking if you can put a feel-stop on a pedal.
Yes, you can -- but it is almost never done because it makes the note 'hiccup' a little as you step on the pedal and swoop up to the final note.
The use of a feel-stop (or "half-stop")on PSGs is overwhelmingly confined to the 2nd string. There are a few who have them on other strings, but most have them only on the 2nd string -- and many don't really like them because it's all too easy to push a little too hard past the 'feel' point and lower the string more than intended. Some have removed the feel-stop and just do a straightforward lower of 2nd string to 'D.' Older guitars may not have ever had the feel-stop in the first place; this may be the case with you Sho-Bud. You can definitely survive with your current setup.  |
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