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Topic: Unknown Emmons model - please help! |
Dale Willis
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New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 4:01 pm |
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Hi there folks,
I'm trying to find out some information on behalf of my father. He has an Emmons single neck 10 string pedal steel. He inherited it from an elderly player who has sadly since passed away. Apparently this man bought it for around $10,000 new around 20 years ago!
The only marking my dad could find on it is 136 ST. It has 3 pedals and 4 knee levers and we aren't sure of the model although dad tells me it looks like the one below, but in more of a woodgrain colour (they are sending me photos tomorrow)
Any help would be MUCH appreciated
Regards
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Dale Willis
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 4:03 pm
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| I assume that marking is a serial? it was found underneath, pressed into the metal mount where the legs join. |
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Dale Willis
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Mike Taylor
From:
Wetumpka, AL
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 4:08 pm
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Dale..
Post a picture of the end of the guitar -- showing the changer end (where the pickups are) and folks can identify it by the style of changer. From the picture it looks to be a push/pull model. Hard to date via serial numbers for single necks though..
Best of luck..
Mike |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Dale Willis
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 6:45 pm
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Thanks for your response guys - not sure if it is same model as one in the above pic, certainly looks it though. Here are pics of actual instrument including the changer end. As you can see it looks like 136 ST stamped on the underside there. Original swell pedal and case with red velvet is also with it, although not pictured
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 7:20 pm
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| If he bought it new for $10,000.00 20 years ago he overpaid by about triple. |
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Walter Bowden
From:
Wilmington, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 7:38 pm
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It looks like a bolt on changer. Could that help dating this steel?
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 8:26 pm
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Well seeing that the pad is original, it couldn't have been made any earlier than '73 when Lloyd and Sho~Bud started the LDG model. Before that, there were no factory SD10s at all. So it's at least a mid-'70s, probably later.
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 17 Mar 2012 9:29 pm
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Looks like a mid to late '70's SD10. Emmons called their version of SD10 "The Loafer".
This one looks like it started out as a green burst, but has now faded, as so many of them have done over time.
I had one exactly like it in '76...only with different inlay.
And yeah, $10G's was (and still is) way, way too much dough to have paid for this gtr. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 18 Mar 2012 12:02 am
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10 grand could very well been what it would have cost to get it "down under" ?
import duties - shipping - brokerage ?
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Ned McIntosh
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 18 Mar 2012 2:48 am
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I imported a brand-new Marlen D10 into Australia back in 1975. Len Stadler did me a great deal, but I had to pay shipping, import duties and taxes to clear it through Customs.
It cost me precisely $Aus397.11 for all the necessary fees, duties etc. Customs loaded it into my vehicle and I drove it home.
Even in the 1970s it didn't triple the cost of a steel to ship it to Australia and pay all the fees. I'd have to say $10,000 (whether it's US or Aus) is way over the odds for an Emmons S10 in Australia.
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 18 Mar 2012 3:11 am
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| Yep---mid 70's,I can tell by the cobwebs on the undercarriage,that's why it cost $10,000.00 |
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Dale Willis
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 18 Mar 2012 3:36 am
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Thanks for the information everyone. I did say 'apparently 10,000' because we weren't sure. That was 3rd hand information from the original owner to my father (many years ago) to me.. It's quite possible it wasn't that figure at all.
Any idea on what they're worth today? Although my dad is a dobro player, he hasn't played much if any pedal steel and feels it's probably something he would want to sell instead of gathering dust (and cobwebs, which ransom beers rightly pointed out... yeah cobwebs add a lot of value down under..especially our variety of spiders  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 18 Mar 2012 11:07 am
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it was probably $1000 at the time. probably worth $2000 now. neato steel!
all wood necks were bolt-on changers. |
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Danny Letz
From:
Old Glory,Texas, USA 79540
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Posted 18 Mar 2012 11:39 am
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| There's one very similar in the For Sale section right now for $2700.00. It didn't sell for prices above that. I would guess $2500.00. I bought a later model S10 several years ago for $2400.00. |
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Larry Moore
From:
Hampton, Ga. USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2012 5:53 pm
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Walter FYI I am under the impression that all wood neck Emmons are bolt on's (not the same as a alum. neck bolt on)
Some one correct me If I am wrong.
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Richard Argus
From:
Perth, Western Australia,
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Posted 21 Mar 2012 11:00 pm
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Hi Dale,
Nice guitar!
Perhaps it was originally blue birdseye?
If you remove the Emmons motif, the original colour should be underneath.
George Xanthos (Melbourne Pedal Steel Guitar Centre) supplied me a new blue birdseye S10 in 1978; it cost $1,680Aus which was a lot of money in those days, and meant that I went without a car for a few more years!
Within 10 years,it faded to the same colour as your is now, and the lacquer cracked badly.
I had it re-finished in the late 80's, but by the mid 90's it changed colour to a green, which I quite liked.
In 2006 I had it re-finished again, to the original blue. I was promised it wouldn't fade again and so far, so good!
Enjoy the great tone!
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Aaron Goldstein
From:
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Mar 2012 7:08 am
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Cool old horn, there, Dale. What city are you in? I'm playing throughout Aus in the month of May and might be interested to come see it...
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