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Topic: '29 National Style-1 Square neck |
Hiro Keitora
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 10:14 am |
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Folks, I happen to have 1929 National Tricone Style-1 square neck( slope shoulder)in really clean condition. While ago, someone told me these are only worth around $2,000. Considering everything is based on "demand and supply", but a brand new National Square neck at discounted retail is above $2,800 and it's not even "slope shoulder" like real vintage one. (they just have square wood neck on it)
Anyone knows what these are going for ?? |
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 10:30 am
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Heiro, the price range can run from 2K to 3K. I've seen them go for everything in between, with 2.5K being the high median.
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Hiro Keitora
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New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 11:19 am
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O, that's all?? 
I can't get over the brand new one costs significantly more...Then, who would buy brand new one, when you can buy real vintage one from the correct era in great shape for WAY less?  |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 11:32 am
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Because it's a SQUAREneck - if it was a Spanish neck, it would be $6k++.
Honestly, it would need to be exc* and all org w/ case to even get $2500.
That's why National doesn't tool up to do them "correct" - you can buy them cheaper than they could make them, so they just offer the wood neck - and probably sell less than a dozen/yr.
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 11:36 am
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A new one costs that much more because they are expensive to make and so few of them are made. The original Nationals are hard to find in great playing condition, sometimes needing new cones and/or tuners.
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Hiro Keitora
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New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 11:44 am
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I guess so... I can understand brand new Martin D-28 is more than used one from 70's; New one with tweaked scalloped bracings and adjustable truss-rod,etc, then I can see how they justify it.
Well,for that kind of number, I should feel free to play this tricone and have fun with it and nothing to worry about.  |
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Ben Feher
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Austin TX
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 2:32 pm
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Unfortunatly, judgeing by the responses, you seem to just have somthing that is... old.
The only reason that vintage is vintage is if people want it... |
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 2:43 pm
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Well, Ben, the truth is that the vintage Tricones sound much sweeter than the newer ones, although if they are making them with German silver now, that shouldn't be the case. I'd love to play one.
As someone who has owned about 4 from 1929 and 1931, as well as a newer one (from the 90s), I can attest to that.
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Hiro Keitora
From:
New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:13 pm
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Wow, so finally they're making that!
So... I understand the cone is span with German Silver and new and tight; therefore loud and bright.
Spider/bridge may be milled out of a soild Titanium, but what's the street price on this Brand new NAMM show approved Style-1?
$6K??  Maybe be it's not Titanium but for that kind of the number, it might as well be,,,  |
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:14 pm
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Not me, I was only addressing the fact that they've gone beyond a wooden neck.
--Hey! who's this guy??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVYozVviuo&feature=related
should be getting my brass lefty any time now..
They shipped out a GS lefty to OZ 2 weeks ago, but "something happened" to mine that they have to fix. 
I do know that they are in full production, and are difficult to build.
my cost is somewhere around 3K.
The one Bob's playing in the video is brass. |
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:21 pm
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| Hiro, the plainest variety of the new hollowneck tricones is $4K street price - plain steel, no engraving. I know because for a very short while I had one. Then buyer's remorse set in (nothing to do with the guitar, just the amount I had spent on it) and I sold it to a man in Switzerland. C'est la vie sometimes. |
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Hiro Keitora
From:
New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:32 pm
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$4K is a chunk, but considering Emmons Push-pull D-10 goes for more than that. 
In that sense, $4k is understandable; but I didn't know real vintage square neck was filled with wood all the way.
I also have a Fluger and that hollow neck design is much different from any Dobro...less "right in the face" attack? am I saying it right?
Man, true "hollow neck" tricone, heh? very attempting...  |
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David Matzenik
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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:46 pm
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Hiro, if you are going to buy a vintage Style 1, in a perfect world you would remove the strings and the top to examine the cones. The original cones are tonally desirable, but can have problems where the tops are collapsing. Its easy to tell old from new. The new ones are shiny on both sides; the old ones have a significantly different patina on top due to slight corrosion. Its unlikely anyone is going to let you dismantle their guitar so you have to look in through the screens with a light. Next, make sure it is in concert pitch, check the tuners work properly, and sight down the fingerboard. If it is not straight, is it playable? If so, tell them you will give them 22, and be prepared to walk out.
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Hiro Keitora
From:
New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:46 pm
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So the German Silver is probably even more than brass...  Hmmmm...
So what do you guys do? get in touch with a dealer and place an order? Well, I'm not in the market yet, but hollow neck/GS Tricone can be really special... |
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Hiro Keitora
From:
New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 3:49 pm
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David, this is MY tricone, I already own it since 90's. 
But you're right. If someone will approach me,I should take that path. Thanks for your tip.  |
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Former Member
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 4:29 pm
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Well, I've been watching the scene ever since putting in my order right after it was announced..
Been through lots of delays, mind changing about this and that, employees coming and going, etc..
weird in-fighting among dealers...
If you really want one call Shannon at NRP, and find out what the situation is currently. I wouldn't want to say much more as things change.
Your guitar is most likely German silver, if it needs to be dialed in, NRP would be my first call. Don Young knows the inner workings better than anyone, and they do lots of rehab on vintage Nats. |
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Hiro Keitora
From:
New York, New York
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 4:37 pm
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Ah, cool, that's good to know! 
They don't happen to make 7 strings G6 guitar, do they?  |
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Mike Anderson
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 5:41 pm
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I had some nice email chats and a phone call with Don Young when mine was being built. I must have gotten my order in at a really ideal time, because it was done pretty rapidly. He signed the packing box with a personal note too, really a great guy. Comes with a beautiful case too.
Sigh... |
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Former Member
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 6:37 pm
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That must be because Don likes you and hates me!
Or, cause mine's left-handed..And brass.
Or,...I've heard many reasons why it's taking so long.
Mine was recently plated along with this lefty GS order. That guitar was shipped out...Then "something happened" to mine and now its been another 3 weeks
I just figure it's taken this long already, who cares, I'll wait it out.
I'll feel real lucky if I ever get it!!
No lefty was ever made in the olden times, so this will be a rare bird.
SIGH!!! |
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Mike Anderson
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 11 Feb 2012 11:15 pm
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| Well, mine was the simplest finish so that's gotta be it. You'll be so happy when that baby arrives, it'll be worth it. |
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 12 Feb 2012 9:35 am
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| 4K + for a new 6 string non-electric one trick pony? Talk about a chunk... of insanity! |
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Hiro Keitora
From:
New York, New York
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Posted 12 Feb 2012 9:51 am
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Ron, I'm with you, but a big boxy Archtop with flatwound strings is as one trick pony as anything else though.  |
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Mike Anderson
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 12 Feb 2012 10:15 am
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I can sure see both sides of this coin guys. Ron, when I got the steel bug, I had this feeling that you kinda "have to" know both acoustic and electric. I felt like it was important to understand the historical continuity and be prepared to demonstrate it. Now I just go with my gut - does it move me? Good, use it. If not, don't worry about it. Besides, I have collector's mentality and have since I was a little kid, and hey - the tricone is a damn beautiful thing in and of itself.
As for archtops, I'm in the market for one myself as I just sold my last "Spanish" guitar and still want something to accompany myself on recordings and while singing (maybe I'll be able to sing while steeling - some day, not any time soon), and I sure don't intend to spend $4K, much as I'd like to! Godin and The Loar both make budget archtops that are well thought of - can't find any steel tricones in the $600 range. |
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