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Sherman Willden


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 7:32 am    
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So, which of today's music is similar to the Rat Pack but not imitation Rat Pack?



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Richard Damron


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 8:08 am    
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Give it up - forever.

Rock and Roll - over the last 50+ years - has dumbed-down popular music to the extent that any, and all, insensitive, illiterate, and unthinking idiot can understand it. Commensurate with the over-simplification of that plebeian genre has come an intolerable increase in the volume of virtually every recorded, so-called, "tune". What used to be an intimate and personal whisper has thus become an ear-splitting BAYBEH, BAYBEH, AH LUV YA BAYBEH!!!!!

Tender, isn't it?

Among my many volumes of sheet music is one titled "150 Of The Most Beautiful Songs Ever". Its' contents would fall upon deaf ears and blind eyes.

To each his own. Think I'll put on the Sinatra album with "Only The Lonely" on it.

Nirvana for the sensibilities.

It's now time for the deaf and blind to defend the cacophonic crap that they deem to be music.

Rock and Roll is mindless noise for mindless people.

There - I've finally said it publicly after all these many years. I feel much better. Much, Much, better.

Richard
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Mike Neer


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 8:34 am    
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Richard Damron wrote:
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It's now time for the deaf and blind to defend the cacophonic crap that they deem to be music.

Rock and Roll is mindless noise for mindless people.

There - I've finally said it publicly after all these many years. I feel much better. Much, Much, better.

Richard


Yes, you've said it and it is cathartic, but it doesn't make you right. I have those feelings a lot, too, about some music, but then I remember my father telling me the music I listened to was crap--same as his father told him and his father before him. Justin Bieber's music is for little kids and teenage girls.

If Rock and Roll is mindless music for mindless people, then consider me mindless because that's what I grew up on.

Justin Bieber is the Fabian of his time--he shouldn't be compared with Sinatra. Actually, no one should. But what do I, a mindless person, know?
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Frank Freniere


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 8:58 am     Re: Which of today's music is similar to the Rat Pack
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Sherman Willden wrote:
So, which of today's music is similar to the Rat Pack but not imitation Rat Pack?


Check out Korea's Kim Gun Mo. Good music performed well transcends translation.
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Richard Damron


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 11:06 am    
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Mike Neer -

In spite of the respect that I've gained for your comments over the years, I must call you out for committing the same cardinal sin that makes all too many comments on this, or any, forum nothing but moot points.

"To each his own".

Must I interpret or define these four words - something which you apparently did not read? Were you so engrossed in your own opinion that you failed to thoroughly read my post and, thus, honor my personal opinion? If you will recall a theme inherent in many of my posts - "personal preference" - then you would have dismissed my opinion as just that - opinion - instead of castigating me for offending your own. The tenor of your post thus implicitly states that YOU are in the right and I in the wrong.

I have committed a grievous error - that of opening my big mouth instead of leaving worthy opinions to the omnipotent, all-seeing, all-knowing elite who pervade this forum and whose arrogance belies their accountable intelligence and knowledge.

Am I offended? Your damned right I am, son! And you've cast the final straw which broke this camel's back.

I'm out. For good, this time. No idle threat.

Ya happy now?
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Mike Neer


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 11:20 am    
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Oh, come one, Richard, you're being silly.
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Mark Eaton


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 12:12 pm    
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One of the most famous lines in the history of literature is "Beware the Ides of March."

One of my favorite sayings beginning with the same word is "Beware of sweeping generalizations."
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Mark Eaton


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 12:28 pm    
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Back to Sherman's topic, I suppose that among contemporary popular singers (and I don't have any CDs by these guys), that may have Rat Pack-like tendencies, or have been influenced by the Rat Pack, one could make a a case for Harry Connick Jr. and Michael Buble'. From what I've heard, they have some songs that would fall more or less into the category of a Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., or Dean Martin.

Really, an on-line poster of making comparisons between Justin Bieber and Sinatra isn't all that different than going back to the 60's and comparing songs like "Yummy, ymmy, yummy, I got love in my tummy," and Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone."

Sort of an obvious cheap shot.
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Jim Cohen


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 1:56 pm    
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Mike and Richard, a little sensahuma would go a long way here, fellers... The way I look at it (FWIW) is: we had a little spat but nobody died. Now let's go get a beer, 'kay? Wink
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Mike Neer


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Post  Posted 9 Feb 2012 2:41 pm    
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I didn't have a spat, Jim. I'm good here. Richard got a little carried away with his opinion. I didn't appreciate what he said but I stopped short of "castigating" him. I should have just laughed, this much is true. I have no bone to pick with him.
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Joachim Kettner


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Post  Posted 10 Feb 2012 3:57 am    
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Rod Stewart, the old rocker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhbSXF-2XWw
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HowardR


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Post  Posted 23 Feb 2012 5:53 am    
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Richard Damron wrote:

Rock and Roll - over the last 50+ years - has dumbed-down popular music to the extent that any, and all, insensitive, illiterate, and unthinking idiot can understand it.




What ever happened to the good old days when we had deep, meaningful lyrics like "Flat Foot Floogie With A Floy Floy"?


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Whenever your cares are chronic,
Just tell the world, "go hang,"
You'll find a greater tonic,
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Floy, floy, floy, yeah!
Send me on out there!

Whenever your cares are chronic,
Just tell the world, "go hang,"
You'll find a greater tonic,
If you go on stumblin' with the gang!
Hey, hey, hey, yes, yes!
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David Mason


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Post  Posted 23 Feb 2012 7:25 am    
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Ultimatums generally have a much greater impact on the ultimator than on the ultimatees.... Laughing
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