Im new at this...HELP PLEASE

Rick Fryefield · From: Florida, USA

Hi..Im
getting a steel with 3 and 4 or 4 and 4..
I want to lower my e's with RKL.. and raise them with LKL..so with that in mind..what should my other levers be set to do ?? Thanks Everybody

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I'd counsel to put the E raise and lower on the same leg, because I find I often use BOTH E string levers in conjunction with the 2nd string lower. Separating the Es means one of them will share a leg with your D#-C# lever.
I have LKL E-E#¹, LKR E-D#, RKL 1st string F#- G and 6th string G#-F#, RKR 2nd D#-D/C# and 9th string D-C#

EDIT: Since you already said you wanted something other than my preferred, I should have the manners to address the question as asked, rather than answering the question I wish you'd asked.

LKL, Es to E#; LKR, 1st string F#-G and 6th string G#-F#; RKL, Es to D#; RKR, 2nd string D#-D / C# and 9th string D-C#

¹Not a typo, E# is the third of a C# chord.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Tony Williamson · From: North Carolina, USA

lane, what is your copedant on both necks, if you dont mind me asking? i want to check mine...

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I apologize for not putting it in chart form; I don't have an Android App for spreadsheets and wouldn't know how to work one. My E9 is pretty standard, C6 is weird.
E9:
P0: 1st string F#++G# and 2nd string D#+E
P2-4 A,BC
LKL: Es + E#
LKV: Bs - A#
LKR: Es - D#
RKR: 1st string F# + G and 6th string G#--F#
RKL: 2nd string D# - -C# with half-stop at D and 9th D - C#

C6 (this is my Zum, currently reworking MSA to become 2-11 of Bb6 Universal):
stock P-4 missing, got reassigned to C pedal, need to get some bellcranks and rods from Bruce:
LKV: As + Bb
LKR: standard P5 (10th C++D, 9th F+F#, 5th G-F#
P5: standard P6
P6: standard P7
P7: standard boowah and 1st string D + Eb
P8: 7&3 C+C#
RKL: 4th A-G#, 8th A--G
RKR: 3rd C-B

Make sense?
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

I've had the copedant shown below with minor changes for quite a few years. My most used E9th knee levers are from most to least used:

LKR
LKL
RKLR (for split tuning on 5th sting diminished chords etc.)
RKLF
RKR
LKV

It would be nice if you could get 5 knee levers and 4 or 5 floor pedals to satisfy your future wants and needs. However the 3 floor 4 knee lever pedal steel is adequate and still very powerful.

Rick Fryefield · From: Florida, USA

Thanks Lane...if i had the 4th pedal, could i lower the 5th and 6th ? and is that a good thing ?

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

You've not shared what kind of guitar you'll be getting.
If it's a pull-release guitar, it'd be challenging to do, but you would have your 4th string as a model to go on.
If it's an all-pull guitar, that'd be dead easy.
If push-pull, you'd just need to add slack to your A & B pedals.

I don't have that change, I've not played a guitar that had it. I'm interested in trying it, but I don't find "the Franklin Drop" as attractive as "the Franklin raise," which I have on P1.

Ask Greg whether he uses P4 or RKR more.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Dick Sexton · From: Greenville, Ohio

My set-up pretty much from the start on E9 SD10(probably out of the norm):

A,B,C Normal Emmons
LKL Raise my Es
RKL Lower my Es
LKR Raise 1 with half stop, 2 (1/2 step), 7 (1/2 step)
RKR Lower 2 whole (w/half stop), 9 (1/2 step)
LKV Lower 5 (1/2 step), 10 (1/2 step) Split

There are a few thing I have found that I cannot play with this set-up that might require raising the Es and the first string at the same time. Mostly speedy stuff for me.

This Set-up does make the, A pedal only with Es lowered, very easy to play. Also a smooth transition from Es raised to Es lowered.

Some pretty big names playing the Es on opposite knees. But I don't remember who, off hand.

Tony Williamson · From: North Carolina, USA

zane, i would love to hear you play, and greg, your playing is awesome. thank you so,so much for taking the time to share your tallent and teaching skills with us freely. who would do that to the extent you have ? all i can say is thank you, are you on youtube?

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

if i may
the Es to Eb lowers (E lever) are most often on :

1 - Left Knee Right : Emmons
in this case, having the Es to F (F lever) on Left Knee Left will make it dodgy to work the two levers together to get the whole tone raise or lower

2 - Right Knee Left : Sho~Bud
Having your Es lowered there will make it quite easy to work the Es to F lever on Left Knee Left

also to be taken in consideration :
where to have the Eb to D (&C#) Lever on string 2 ?
it is often on Right Knee Right
which in this case makes it impossible to play chromatic runs w: the Es engaged to Eb w: RKL
(strings 4 & 2)
this is why putting the D lever (Eb to D & C# on 2) on Left Knee Right is recommended imo
RKR (G lever) which raises string 1 2 & 7 can then go on Right Knee Right

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