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Topic: From Pedal to Non Pedal |
Tim Bridges
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Hoover, Alabama, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2011 4:00 pm |
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I'm not giving up on the PSG, but I am getting a new S8 Stealth from GeorgeBoards for Christmas...hopefully before Christmas  . A lot of what the band plays is blues, Allman Bros, Little Feat and a bunch of other R&R.
George is strongly recommending the C6 tuning, which I can understand. However, a lot of what we do works easily in the open E tuning.
I would appreciate feedback, input and E tunings for an 8 stringer. Thanks in advance for aiding a new non pedal-er! I understand these are much more portable ! |
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Brad Bechtel
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 12 Dec 2011 4:12 pm
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C6th tuning would work well, but you'd probably be more comfortable with an E-based tuning, since you already play pedal steel. Try something like this:
1. G#
2. E
3. C#
4. B
5. G#
6. E
7. D
8. B
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Steve Lipsey
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2011 4:17 pm
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I experimented with tunings....and finally brought my PSG and Lap steel
together....E9 on the pedal, and E13 on the lap....the pedal moves all translate in a nice way, and it contains your open E...
low-to-high B D E G# B C# E G#
get the missing pedal F# with a slide below the G#, and the C# gives you an "A pedal B>C#" for minor chords.... simple forward slant on E/G#/B give you an A+B pedal IV chord...(E/A/C#), etc.
Now I can play the same stuff on either without having to reboot my brain... |
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Steve Lipsey
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2011 4:19 pm
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| And since the C# is there, it is also an E6 tuning, so it has a lot in common with C6.... |
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Tim Bridges
From:
Hoover, Alabama, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2011 5:23 pm
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| Thanks guys! I appreciate your input. That makes a lot of sense. Good place to start and I'm looking forward to it. Seems pretty intuitive with some minor grip changes. |
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Karl Fehrenbach
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2011 6:43 am
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| I like Brad's response. I have tried both the C6 and "OPEN E" with a pop group I play with and we end up in a Chicago blues mode and rock-a-billy at every opportunity and I have found that open E really is the way to go. The C6, which I prefer for its overall utility, just screams "Nashville" the way I play and just does not fit the rock genre as well. Of course, I could learn to aim better and avoid that relative 6th, but that is an entirely different problem. |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 13 Dec 2011 7:10 am
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I would recommend taking a look at A6 for that style. Lowell George and many slide guitarists played in open A tuning, which the top 3 strings in A6 have in common. If you learn to get inside that tuning, you can play anything on it.
I play C6/A7 and feel like I can play a lot of styles on it because I forced myself to learn it as much as I could. It is a GREAT tuning for Blues--you just have to be in control of it.
A6 tuning:
E
C#
A
F#
E
C#
A
F#
E
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Tim Bridges
From:
Hoover, Alabama, USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2011 5:39 pm
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| I appreciate everyones input! I think I'm going to start with the E13th tuning. It makes a lot of sense due to the tunes we currently have in our bag. However, I am also interested in the 6th tunings. I see another guitar collection starting to take root. Hmmm... |
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Billy Tonnesen
From:
R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 13 Dec 2011 7:55 pm
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| A suggestion on down the line. upgrade to a double neck consule and use the E13th on one neck the A6th on the other. These two tunings, IMHO, are very relative to each other. In my non pedal days I used these two tunings for years. Noel Boggs, one of my mentors, also used a similiar set up. |
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Tim Bridges
From:
Hoover, Alabama, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2011 3:07 pm
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I'll have to admit, this is fun and the GeorgeBoard Stealth S8 is a fabulous guitar. George, thanks for a fine instrument and forum members, thanks for your tuning advice. The E13th is very intuitive and has a lot more than I ever realized, having pedals and KL's on the PSG. The bar slant from the 1-4-5 is something I'll have to get use to. Definitely works, but I need to figure out how to get out of the slant with some kind of transition lick; or, not.
Thanks to all and Merry Christmas! |
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 20 Dec 2011 7:56 pm
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
I would recommend taking a look at A6 for that style.
A6 tuning:
E
C#
A
F#
E
C#
A
F#
E |
I keep counting those strings on my fingers and come up with 9.  Or do you tune the 8th string to E or F# depending on the song? In that case it looks like a regular C6 8 string set should work. One thing really nice about A6 for PSG players is that it resembles E9th with the A & B pedals down.
Besides A6, E9th is another good choice. It is pitched lower than the E13th recommended by Steve Lipsky. I think that your choice depends on whether you want the G# on the top (like an E9 pedal steel) or the low E on the bottom (like open E):
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E9 E7 E6
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E E E
B B B
G# G# G#
F# E E
D D C#
B B B
G# G# G#
E E E |
You can lower the 4th string from F# to E to get the E7th tuning, which IMO is great for rock and blues. If you also lower the 5th string from D to C# you get a nice E6 tuning which can work well with songs using a major rather than a dominant scale. Plus a really nice C#m7 chord on all 8 strings. (BTW you get a nice Bm chord on the 2-4-5-6 strings w/ E9th.)
Steve Ahola
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