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Topic: videos of reverse slants? |
John Groover McDuffie
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LA California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 9:32 am |
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I am still finding it awkward to switch the bar around smoothly for reverse slants, and when I have to get to one quickly I end up bending my wrist instead.
Can anyone post links to videos that show close-ups of reverse slant technique? Thanks. |
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Paul DiMaggio
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Fort Nelson, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 10:01 am
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| I'm not sure why I can't post hyper links to the forum, but, if you go to YouTube and type in Lorene Ruymar you'll get a very good video on how to do slants. The late Rick Alexander has a slant video on YouTube also. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Scott Thomas
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:00 pm
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I love everything about that...the tune, your vibrato and your tone. (Black pearl? Black mamba?) and you make all those slants look way too easy. Truly worthy to carry on the legacy of your teacher JB. |
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John Groover McDuffie
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LA California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:19 pm
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Thanks, the first video looks pretty similar to what I'm doing, so I'll watch it some more and try to get the move smoother.
OK, I started posting this reply and then was interrupted, so to be clear I mean the first video posted by Doug. I will check out the Kilima Waltz video when I get another break.
Thanks to all for your help!
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Ray Montee
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:20 pm Rick.......................
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Great to see you posting once again! I for one, have missed your always interesting and sometimes challenging posts. Just knowing that you're still out there is comforting to say the least.
Enjoyed your redintion of "Kilima Waltz". Hope to see you again...........soon. |
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:33 pm
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Thanks for the kind words y'all ... 
Scott ... that was my 25.5" scale Black Mamba with an MRI pickup. I made a pair of black ones to keep for myself ... but ended up selling the long scale to a friend.
Ray ... it has been awhile ...  ... but I'm doing better now and hope to start playing more and making some new stuff ... 
Anyway, I hope the video helps ... I made it several years ago with Mike Neer on rhythm guitar. It and a couple more are on my website ... http://www.horseshoemagnets.com/_sgg/mb_1.htm |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:55 pm
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| John, while not knocking the posts above, everybody puts their own 'slant' to slants. I'd suggest you start off with the video by the King-O-Slants, Jerry Byrd, you'll not get it from other's quite like he demanded. As with all things Jerry Byrd, start with his take, and then learn what everybody else has to offer. You'll see most took a lot from Jerry's "50 years of doing it wrong and getting it right". |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 1:13 pm
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| There's a Jerry Byrd instructional video??? Where can I get it???? |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 1:24 pm
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| John Groover McDuffie wrote: |
| There's a Jerry Byrd instructional video??? Where can I get it???? |
http://www.scottysmusic.com/byrdinstruction.htm
Pony up the do re mi for both the vid and the book w/CD and you can't go wrong, especially working thru it all while using the forum as your 'hands on' teacher when you get stumped.
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 1:25 pm
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You're right, Ron. JB is the blueprint to work from... and each player puts his own 'slant' on the slant!  I have fairly small hands so have to extend my thumb a bit more than most players to do a reverse slant, and I raise my hand kinda far above the bar. The main point is to place the 'tip' of the thumb on the end of the bar for a reverse slant and push the rear of the bar up to the next fret, instead of twisting the wrist. That's the Byrd way, which I think is the smoothest way. That's not to say it's the only way, but IMO it's the best way.
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 1:29 pm
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| You know it, Doug. No one shoe fits all, and it's those minute things that often are so important, and they usually take so dang long to get the needed attention! |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 1:49 pm
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
Notice his hand is in the 'normal' playing position (no wrist twist). It's a beautiful thing!
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I love that shot! Even he seems quite pleased with his $$$ hand. |
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Mitch Crane
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1000 Oaks, CA
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 5:33 pm
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| And what the heck is that Gibson the guitarist is playing?? A double-Venetian-cutaway Super 400?? |
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Mitch Crane
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1000 Oaks, CA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 5:50 pm
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Not to nitpick here, but in the still clip that Doug posted, you will note, that Jerry does the move more like the way Rick A posted in his vid, and contrary to JB's written instruction. It's a '3 finger' approach, which is the way I feel comfortable doing reverse slants... the forefinger goes mid-bar to the right side, the 2nd finger moving to the tip of the bar. This is a much more stable way of doing it, and JB in the vid seems to have deviated from his 'norm' or at least a variant of his written instruction.
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 6:05 pm
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The guitarist is Billy Byrd (no relation to Jerry). I think the Gibson he's playing is a Byrdland. The guitar was designed with input from Billy Byrd and Hank Garland, hence the name Byrdland. It was introduced in 1955. It's a short scale guitar, 23 1/2", thinline.
I really admire Jerry Byrd's performance in this video. Imagine playing on live television, just a duo, steel and rhythm guitar. And he plays with such confidence, almost cocky when he looks at the audience... I love that!
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John Groover McDuffie
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LA California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 6:53 pm
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That's no stock Byrdland, the Byrdland was a single cut-away guitar. The only deep-body double-cuts that were standard models were the Barney Kessel (standard and Custom) and the Trini Lopez Custom, but they both had double Florentine (sharp) cutaways.
It must have been a custom order. |
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John Groover McDuffie
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LA California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 7:02 pm
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OK, from looking at Rick's Kilima Waltz, and trying the move, I am starting to think that a shorter bar would make it a lot easier to get my thumb around the end. I have been using a 3"5/16ths 10 string bar, but I have a shorter one I can mess with.
I like the longer bar for doing a (forward) slant where I play strings 1, 3, and 5 for a wide voiced 2nd inversion triad (in dobro tuning) or a 3rd inversion dom 7th chord (in a 6th tuning.) |
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Bob Russell
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Virginia, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 7:12 pm
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| Mitch Crane wrote: |
| Not to nitpick here, but in the still clip that Doug posted, you will note, that Jerry does the move more like the way Rick A posted in his vid, and contrary to JB's written instruction. It's a '3 finger' approach, which is the way I feel comfortable doing reverse slants... the forefinger goes mid-bar to the right side, the 2nd finger moving to the tip of the bar. This is a much more stable way of doing it, and JB in the vid seems to have deviated from his 'norm' or at least a variant of his written instruction. |
Here's a frame capture from JB's video. His forefinger is still curved, but you can see that his fingertip has moved from the top of the bar slightly to the side.
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Mitch Crane
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1000 Oaks, CA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 7:22 pm
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Jerry's first finger knuckle is definately double jointed ! I can't get my finger to do that ! In Dougs original post above (1st finger not so arched) or in Rick A's video...THAT is doable, for me at least.
..and John, yes I think a shorter bar helps. 2 3/4" length by 3/4" diameter is what feels best for me.
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 7:27 pm
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Mitch, you've noted something that's downright contradictory, if the B&W film isn't lying.
It does look like he makes a common (mistake) split finger slant, something he didn't teach or do later on. Maybe we see him still in his 'learning' curve here.
His most usual way was keeping the index tip pointing straight down on the bar, just off center, and never moving much from that pivot point, it's how his finger got permanently crooked into that arched position.
Interesting, good catch, Mitch! |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 7:37 pm
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My forefinger is always slightly on the right side of the bar anyway.
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