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Topic: B11th tuning... wow! (Check out the YouTube video) |
Steve Ahola
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Concord, California
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Posted 11 Aug 2011 1:14 pm |
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I was really knocked out by the YouTube video by Jerry Gleason that Mitch Crane posted with the listing for his Dynalap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWWLY-BfWBY
Wow- those low notes and lush chords sure sound pretty! From the comments:
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The tuning I'm playing here is B11th. Low to high - B,A,C#,D#,F#,A,C#,E.
(12)-14-17-20-24*-30*-38*-42*-(54)-70
I doubt you'd find a string set for B11 tuning. The strings I use are a 10-string C6th set (Nickel wound) for pedal steel. I just omit the first string (.015) and ninth string (.054). The bottom string is .068, and the top is .014. These gauges also allow me to tune the guitar to C13th, or A6th. |
This is what I came up with looking at some of the C6th pedal string sets here:
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- (1. G .012 or D .015)
E 2. E .014
C# 3. C .017 >>> C#
A 4. A .020p
F# 5. G .024w <<< F#
D# 6. E .030 <<< D#
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A 8. A .042
- (9. F .054)
B 10. C .070 <<< B |
I think I will try this tuning out on the Morrell 8 stringer hanging up in my closet. (I lashed it to a strong wooden hanger with nylon cord just to get it out of the way- along with a lot of other guitars I don't play anymore!)
Steve Ahola
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Last edited by Steve Ahola on 11 Aug 2011 1:36 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Steve Ahola
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Concord, California
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Posted 11 Aug 2011 1:31 pm
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For some reason the 7th string is not being displayed in the original post here:
C# 7. C .036 >>> C#
If that looks confusing the letter on the left is the string pitch in B11th tuning. The 2nd letter on the line is the string pitch in C6 pedal steel tuning. And the third letter and symbols (when used) indicates how the C6 pedal steel tuning is raised or lowered. Well, it makes sense to me!  |
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Morgan Scoggins
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Georgia, USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2011 3:33 pm
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I beleive that the version of "Sand" played by Jerry is about the same as the one published in the "Jerry Byrd Steel Guitar Course".It's a real killer song. I spent a lot of hours learning it from the JB Course. You only need a six string lap steel tuned to B11 (E C# A F# D# C#). B11 is a great tuning and I wish there were more published material dealing with this tuning.
Jerry did a nice job on the song.
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David Matzenik
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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 11 Aug 2011 7:23 pm
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One of the reasons I settled on A6th tuning as my main electric guitar tuning is that the retune to B11 is so simple. That is a very nice version of Sand. It contains some musical ideas that I will adopt. Here is another good version by HSGA member Isaac Akuna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhwVEHesI6s
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Jerry Gleason
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Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2011 8:26 pm
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It's interesting to look at that again. I play some of the phrases differently now than when I recorded that video. That version borrows a lot from Jerry Byrd, and also Jules Ah See, whose version from the '40's is my favorite.
Thanks for the comments!
BTW, if you want to see a better quality version than the YouTube, click here. |
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 11 Aug 2011 11:17 pm
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| You only need a six string lap steel tuned to B11 (E C# A F# D# C#). |
Thanks for the heads up! I see that a six string C6 (w/ E on top) can be retuned to B11, which I just did on my 1948 Century 6.
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B11 C6
E 1. E .014
C# 2. C .017 (raise to C#)
A 3. A .020p
F# 4. G .024w (lower to F#)
D# 5. E .030w (lower to D#)
C# or B 6. C .038w (raise to C# or lower to B) |
I guess I had been scared off by a tuning that doesn't include the root in the open position. Well, that does open up a lot of harmonic possibilities with just 6 strings. So did JB have a B11 tuning for a 7 string lap steel? Did he add the B two frets down from the 6th string C# or did he use the A two frets below that instead? Inquiring mimes want to know!
Steve
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Last edited by Steve Ahola on 12 Aug 2011 4:38 am; edited 4 times in total |
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Morgan Scoggins
From:
Georgia, USA
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Posted 12 Aug 2011 2:53 am
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Steve,
I forgot to add that you can tune the sixth string to either B or C# for B11 tuning. In the JB version of "Sand", only the first five strings are used.
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 12 Aug 2011 4:43 am
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Steve,
I forgot to add that you can tune the sixth string to either B or C# for B11 tuning. |
Thanks! I edited the chart to reflect that choice- I just tried it out and I'd definitely want a .038 there if I lower it to B. Since none of the other notes are repeated it makes sense to change the second C# to B at least some of the time...
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 12 Aug 2011 7:36 am
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I like the B11 a lot, but I couldn't make it a permanent fixture on my triple 8. It helps if you like to use A6, but I don't really use it. I can kind of get the same effect in C6 by lowering my G string to F#. I don't use a high G, so technically it's not D11, but rather D9. Anthony Locke plays the crap out of B11.
I did one thing in B11: Noel Boggs' "Tenderly". It involves some behind the bar string pulls and isn't easy, but the chords are sublime.
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 12 Aug 2011 6:30 pm
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Any ideas on how to incorporate an alternate B11 tuning to the "C6 with a D on top" tuning (A-C-E-G-A-C-E-D lo to hi)? I was thinking of raising the D on top to D# or maybe just leave it as a D- any thoughts on that? I think the D might work better because you would not have two adjacent strings a half step apart (which would be very dissonant if hit simultaneously by mistake).
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B11 C6 w/D on top
1 D#? D? .015 D
2 E .014 E
3 C# .017 C raise 1 fret
4 A .020 A
5 F# .026w G lower 1 fret
6 D# .032 E lower 1 fret
7 C# or B .038 C raise or lower 1 fret
8 A .042 A |
Thanks!
Steve
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 12 Aug 2011 7:54 pm
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| Steve Ahola wrote: |
Any ideas on how to incorporate an alternate B11 tuning to the "C6 with a D on top" tuning (A-C-E-G-A-C-E-D lo to hi)? I was thinking of raising the D on top to D# or maybe just leave it as a D- any thoughts on that? I think the D might work better because you would not have two adjacent strings a half step apart (which would be very dissonant if hit simultaneously by mistake).
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B11 C6 w/D on top
1 D#? D? .015 D
2 E .014 E
3 C# .017 C raise 1 fret
4 A .020 A
5 F# .026w G lower 1 fret
6 D# .032 E lower 1 fret
7 C# or B .038 C raise or lower 1 fret
8 A .042 A |
Thanks!
Steve |
Lower the 5th string G to F# and leave the D tuned the way it is.
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Roger Shackelton
From:
MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 12 Aug 2011 11:18 pm
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Here is the B-11 Tuning used by Jules Ah See.
E
C#
A
F#
D#
B
A
B |
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 13 Aug 2011 4:10 am
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
| A couple of years ago I posted some basic B11 info that may be of interest ---> CLICK |
Thanks a lot for the mini-tutorial! There are so many notes that harmonize in the straight across positions that it might be easiest to memorize the notes that don't harmonize.
As for slant positions the top 3 strings (R-3-5) have the same intervals as the top 3 strings in open G and open A dobro tuning so you get the same forward slant for a major triad a 4th higher (this is with the 3rd string staying at the same fret). Which I believe is the basis for the A & B pedals in pedal steel (originally just a single pedal).
Steve
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Concord, California
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