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Topic: ??? about Barney Isaacs and Eddie Pang |
Duane Becker
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 7:44 am |
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I have an old lp of the Maile Serenaders Evening in the Islands featuring Isaacs and Pang.
In my opinion, this lp showcases some of the best playing ever with very nice leads and tasteful fills. Anyone know any details about the tunings and who is playing what parts?
I looked up Isaccs tunings and he seems to have used the B11 as one of his tunings. I put it on my three neck Fender and it sounds close to some of the fills on the lp. You've got to hear the Evening in the Islands to really understand what I'm referring to. |
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Duane Becker
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Elk,Wa 99009 USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 10:35 am
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| I've been using my three neck to go through some of the songs on this lp, and it seems like the E13 is lending it self more to the chords. I know if you dont have access to the Evening in the Island lp its impossible to know, but maybe some out there are familiar with the lp, or at least with Barney and Eddie's playing. My E13 is treble to bass: E, C#, G#, E, D, B, G# and low E. Any thoughts suggestions??? |
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Brad Bechtel
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 2:58 pm
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Sorry, I've never heard this particular recording so I have no idea as to answers for your questions.
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Dave Mayes
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Oakland, Ca.
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 4:50 pm
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| The issue as to what tuning Barney is using on this record is possibly complicated by the fact that he's using a Fender pedal steel for the first and last time ever on this recording....according to past posts on this forum (I think). |
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David Matzenik
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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 5:10 pm
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Duane, Is there any chance you could upload Evening in the Islands to a hosting site like SoundCloud?
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Don Kona Woods
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Hawaiian Kama'aina
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 5:36 pm
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On that album, most of those songs that Barney played would probably have been in two of his favorite tunings:
C13 - C Bb C E G A C E (low to high)
E13 - E B D E G# B C# E (low to high)
On the song Hana, he played in B11th.
Aloha, 
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Butch Pytko
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Orlando, Florida, USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2011 5:44 pm
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Duane--Yes, Evening in the Islands, a great album--I would rank it as one of the all-time top Hawaiian instrumental albums--right up there with the famous Webley Edwards Hawaii Calls albums mostly featuring Jules Ah See! Evening in the Islands is still available on CD at Hawaiian-music.com.
I had the privilege to meet Barney & Eddie in 1965-68. The album was recorded in 1964. According to Barney, Webley Edwards was some how connected to the project, but no mention is made of him in the album credits--I would guess he collaberated in the producing of it. For the project, Webley furnished a D-8, Fender, pedal steel he bought new from Fender. Barney said that Fender sent a rep along with the guitar to set up the pedals the way Barney wanted it. They then recorded the album with Barney playing the Fender pedal & Eddie playing a non-pedal. Now, I would say the C6th is primarily used, but I have not tried to copy each song on the album, so at this point I'm not 100% sure. The C6th that Barney & I discussed was--E, C, A, G, E, C, Bb, C. Now, as far as, who is who on the album, I remember Barney describing Eddie's playing as "Having a very light touch". Whereas, Barney's playing was described as "He plays LOUDER than anyone else"--described to me from some of the Hawaii Calls musicians I met. Since I also play the Nashville C6 with pedals, I can hear some of the subtle pedal changes Barney is doing--especially on the Blue Hawaii cut. |
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Duane Becker
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Elk,Wa 99009 USA
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Posted 1 Aug 2011 12:24 pm
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Thanks for the info. Barney and pedals-figures!!!
Don Kona Woods: On the E13 tuning that you listed, it is a tad different then the one listed in Lorene Ruymar Hawaiian Guitar book for Barney's tuning. The book gives a Frank Miller as credit for supplying the tuning info, which gives it as E, C# G#, E, D, B, G#, and low E. I notice you have a high B stuck in there. Dont know if that matters too much, but I've got the one from the book and it sounds pretty nice-I might try the B too.
And does anyone know if the guy that was gathering info on Hawaii Calls/Webley Edwards is still planing on writing a book? I think is name was Roy Allen and he posted on the forum as couple of years ago. I emailed him but no reply. Thanks again. Duane |
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Don Kona Woods
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Posted 1 Aug 2011 5:25 pm
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| Don Kona Woods: On the E13 tuning that you listed, it is a tad different then the one listed in Lorene Ruymar Hawaiian Guitar book for Barney's tuning. |
The source of my information was when Barney Isaacs was guest artist at the Aloha International Steel Guitar Club convention in Winchester in 1988.
Aloha,
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Wally Pfeifer
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 1 Aug 2011 6:34 pm
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The source of Frank Miller's tuning information
probably comes from the fact that Barney spent a lot of time every year playing in Frank & Donna's condo in Hawaii. Barney visited Frank at every chance he had. Frank also has video tapes of Barney playing while at his condo.
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 13 Oct 2011 2:46 am
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| Dave Mayes wrote: |
| The issue as to what tuning Barney is using on this record is possibly complicated by the fact that he's using a Fender pedal steel for the first and last time ever on this recording....according to past posts on this forum (I think). |
No, Barney used pedals on many recordings..
Steel Guitar Magic for instance.
Butch, the description of A C6th tuning when there's a Bb in it is incorrect.. The Bb and A notes make the name C13th. FWIW.. the low Bb is the seventh note of the scale and the higher A is thirteen notes up from the root, Hence 13th.
But then again the country players call the Fmaj9th tuning C6th (Bottom neck standard)
Mr. Woods Esq. Is completely correct regarding Barney's E and C tunings, BUT there is oft confusion when listing his B11th, it did not contain a low F#.
B-A-B-D#-F#-A-C#-E as per Jules. In fact I do believe that the two players used the same tunings..Even on Pedal Steel..Their pedals steel copedant was completely different to that of Billy Hew Len who's copedant was an "A" based one.
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Dave Mayes
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Oakland, Ca.
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Posted 13 Oct 2011 6:15 am
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| The "Steel Guitar Magic" LP is one of two (that I am aware of) Barney Isaacs/Billy Hew Len combo recordings. It certainly may be that Barney did some pedal steel work on these, but not having been there, my first quess is Billy Hew Len was the sole pedal steeler on the recordings. Once again....just a guess. |
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 13 Oct 2011 8:31 am
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| Omigosh, so glad I found this thread, because mele.com has this Maile Serenaders album on CD - ordering right now! |
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Butch Pytko
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Orlando, Florida, USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2011 10:49 am
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Basil-Thanks for posting on the correction of the C6 to C13. This allows me to show the thoughts of the great Barney Isaacs from back in the mid 60's. Below you'll see a personal note from Barney to me in about the 1965-66 time period. I cherish this peice of note paper very much & should frame it. Now, I just want you to know that you have been my selected GURU SCHOLAR on everything connected to Hawaiian steel guitar, so, all the info you give, has got to be right! As you can see, even Barney was wrong in proper tuning identification. And, a very important note, Barney told me he learned so much from Jules Ah See, so who knows what Jules was calling the various tunings that he used thru the years before this mid 60's time period. The note is in Barney's hand-writing, EXCEPT my notation of--B7 or B9 For "Sand". After many lengthy discussions of the C6 tuning, Barney wrote this note for me. First, he wanted to give me the album "Evening in the Islands", but he was out of them, so he wrote it down for me to buy it where-ever. Second, you'll notice after writing the notes for the C6 tuning, he said that it was actually Ami7-- he then crossed out C6 & wrote Ami7. Finally, after much discussion on the C6 or Ami7, I asked--"What about the song "Sand", what is the tuning called?" Barney said it was either B7 or B9--so, I wrote it down there at that moment. But, of course, now we all know it as the B11. I guess I possess a bit of WRONG HISTORICAL NOTATION from a great Hawaiian steel guitar player. This makes me cherish it even more! Even though he was wrong, it does not diminish his talent as one of the all time great Hawaiian steel guitar players.
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 13 Oct 2011 5:45 pm
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At least the pedals didn't hurt the music too much  |
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David Matzenik
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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 13 Oct 2011 8:00 pm
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Very interesting post, Butch. It goes straight into the my archive.
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