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Topic: Ideas for alternate C pedal change |
James Maxwell
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 6:39 pm |
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| Hi guys, I moved my E9 C pedal change to RKL, and am wondering what to put on the C pedal now. Any ideas? |
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 6:48 pm
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| What have you got on pedals/levers now? |
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James Maxwell
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 6:58 pm
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Pedals A&B are standard
Pedal C has nothing on it
LKL raises Es
LKR lowers Es
RKL raises 4th string to F# (I use this as the "C pedal")
RKR lowers 2nd string to D and C# and lowers 9th string to C# |
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 7:03 pm
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You could move the A and B pedals to P2 and P3, and use P1 to lower strings 3 and 6 to G. Or you could raise string 1 to G# and string 2 to E. Or lower strings 5 and 10 to Bb. Any of those are useful changes.
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James Maxwell
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 7:07 pm
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| I forgot to mention that I cannot lower other strings beside 4 and 8 because it has a fixed pull release changer |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 9:24 pm C pedal
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| Just curious, with speed or fast pickin', is the RKL going to be a problem? I use the C pedal for a lot of speed pickin' scales, etc. Thanks. |
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 2 Apr 2011 10:07 pm
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Can you raise 7th string F# to G#? Might work as a reverse of what many of us have ... 6t string G# lower to F#.
You may be able to combine 7th string F# to G# with 2d string Eb raised to E, which does come handy at times.
On such a restricting changer I am not sure if "freeing up" the C pedal for something else is such a good idea - you can't put much else on it. Sure you don't want to put the suggested 7th and 2d string raises on RKL instead, and leave the C pedal "original"?
I have 4th and 8th string raise to F# on a lever - half/full-tone raise on LKL so I don't loose a lever, but I have kept the C pedal as is even though I don't use it much/often. |
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 3 Apr 2011 6:48 am Lower
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Lower 5&10 on C ped. You already have C ped combo when you lower #2 to C# and play it with #1 F#.
now you can use the B-Bb change with all the peds and levers
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Apr 2011 8:32 am
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| James Maxwell wrote: |
Pedals A&B are standard
Pedal C has nothing on it
LKL raises Es
LKR lowers Es
RKL raises 4th string to F# (I use this as the "C pedal")
RKR lowers 2nd string to D and C# and lowers 9th string to C# |
First of all, I would swap RKL and LKR. You need to use the "C pedal" change with your 2nd string lowered to D (RKR). The "BCD" combination at the II, V and VI fret positions is extremely useful. Plus there are other advantages to having the E string raises and lowers on opposing knees.
As for the 3rd pedal, with your simple pull-release changer the only option left is the F# strings. Raise string 1 to G and string 7 to G#.
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Steve Leal
From:
Orange CA, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2011 1:36 am
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Another uncommon but very cool change would be to shift your A&B pedals to be B&C, then on your new A pedal, raise the 6th string a whole tone (as Ernest Bovine does on his guitars). It works well in conjunction with your new B pedal activated and deactivated. Basically, it creates a very cool rock/blues sounding scale position two frets down from your open position.
I tried this on my guitar for a while and loved it, but I couldn't get used to my foot being shifted over, so I changed it back to standard A&B, and have C dropping my 5 and 10 strings a half step. Allows me to emulate Tom Brumley licks playing strings 5 and 8. The rest of my guitar is set up exactly as yours is. I love just having the 4 string pull independently. Lets you get a lot of old Ralph Mooney sounding licks, as well as the later Tom Brumley licks on strings 4,5,6 with B pedal and alternating between Eb lever.
I also have my up lever lowering 3 and 6 a half step which alows me to play licks like Tom's solo on "The heart that you own."
If you dont want to shift your A&B pedals over, then I would suggest that you pull string 1 a whole step and string 2 a whole step to be able to nail those cool Paul Franklin unison licks in either the open position, or with the B pedal activated for cool suspended unison licks.
Have fun!
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2011 6:46 am
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| Another vote for raising the 6th string a whole tone on the "Zero" pedal. I added this about four years ago (the first alteration to my setup in almost 25 years), and there are a number of really nice things you can do with it. (I still have the C pedal on P4.) |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2011 6:49 am
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| Steve Leal wrote: |
Another uncommon but very cool change would be to shift your A&B pedals to be B&C, then on your new A pedal, raise the 6th string a whole tone (as Ernest Bovine does on his guitars).
If you dont want to shift your A&B pedals over, then I would suggest that you pull string 1 a whole step and string 2 a whole step to be able to nail those cool Paul Franklin unison licks ... |
Right; here is typical ABC setup
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1 2 3
F#
D#
G# +A
E ++F#
B ++C# ++C#
G# +A
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I changed to this first because it is super easy to change the C pedal
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1 2 3
F#
D#
G# +A
E
B ++C# ++C#
G# +A ++A#
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Then I realized this is even better
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1 2 3
F#
D#
G# +A
E
B ++C#
G# ++A# +A
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Steve says that 3rd pedal is good for cool Paul Franklin licks. Note that it also does what P7 does on a typical C6 neck, and it combines well with E strings raised to E#, or in my case 7 F# lowered to E# on a knee lever. |
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John Russell
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 5 Apr 2011 12:17 pm C Pedal options
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| I use the same C pedal and RKL. I use the E to F# on RKL all the time for speed picking and chords (I play a S-12 universal). It only raises string 4. Love those unisons from both open position and second position (with E raised to F and B raised to C#). This C pedal is replicated on the C6 neck on double 10 guitars. It makes a 2 dominant 7 chord I often use from open position. Most players use the standard C pedal setup but I find it redundant. As a bonus you can raise G#s to A, Bs to C# and E to F# all at the same time. ;~) --JR |
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John Russell
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 5 Apr 2011 12:52 pm C Pedal options
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| I realize you can get all three raises with the standard C pedal change. My mistake. It's handy to have the E to F# change independent from the B-C#. From open position, you get an add 9 voicing that can be raised from E. Of course, that note is available on the first string and the 6th but I like the raise and those work well together for the unison thing. |
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Allen Kentfield
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2011 2:18 pm
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In Guitar Player Magazine, circa 1970, Buddy Emmons said his set-up included whole-tone raises on 1 and 7 with the C pedal. I tried it for a couple years in the mid-90's, moving my E-F# change to RKL. Then I got on a Lloyd Green revival and switched it back.  |
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 10 Apr 2011 7:24 am Set up
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EB:
Right now, I'm playing as SD10 E9th, I switched over to C6. 3x5. A=5,B=6,C=8, LKL=7.Other levers raise and lower C and A....so far.
I like your E9 pedal set up ideas. If I go back to playing E9th, I'll use one of those, and also put my B-Bb lever on RKL, depending of which of your set-ups I choose. I may just use the A#-C# pedal change, and lose the B-Bb lever 
I'm sure I can find some other C6 changes, to add to a lever, creating an E9th with some added C6 changes.
(Maybe more apropriately described:
as an SD10 E9th/B6)
Rick |
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