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Arthur Manning
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 9:06 am |
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| Hi YOU ALL, I am on a Phone line and can't get DSL at my place. Problem: when I try to download a video from YouTube it comes in small downloads and when it gets to the end of the download it won't play back, it wants to start downloading all over again. with my Phone line it takes about 3 hr. to download a 10 min. video and I haven't found a way to save the download. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks, Art M. |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 10:34 am
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It sounds like your modem is having trouble downloading the videos, probably due to noise, filters, or echos in your phone lines. Reducing your connection rate to a lower baudrate can improve the "throughput" of data, by reducing or eliminating "Blers" (block Errors). Blers are caused when the receiving modem cannot get all of the data being sent to it, in the sizes of each data block. This causes the modem to request the data to be resent. Eventually, the modem is able to collect and process all of the downloaded data bits and bytes, but those resend requests, due to Blers, slow it way down.
I have a webpage named Modems-101 describing these matters, with tips and links to some possible solutions. There is a large paragraph describing how slowing the connect rate often improves throughput, along with a sample Init String.
It will take a bit of research on your part to learn about the codes specific to your modem, so you can change the Init String and slow down you connection rate. Once you do, and you find the sweet spot, you should see a significant improvement in download times (and uploads).
If you are unable to do this by yourself, I am available for hire as a troubleshooter and consultant.
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Arthur Manning
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Florida, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 12:39 pm
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| Thanks Wiz, I will look into your suggestions. My modem is 56K PH/INT/FAX/MODEM USB and I have my Port speed set to 57600. I would think that would work?? Art M. |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 1:31 pm
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| Thanks Wiz, I will look into your suggestions. My modem is 56K PH/INT/FAX/MODEM USB and I have my Port speed set to 57600. I would think that would work?? Art M. |
Port speed has nothing to do with the modem's baudrate. It is just the maximum data transfer speed for that input port. Actually, the faster the port rate, the better, as long as it is at least as fast as your modem's maximum baudrate (in bits per second (bps)).
The baudrate has to do with the modem's settings. You will need to go to Control Panel, find the Modem icon and explore its settings. You'll need the manufacturer's name and model to look-up Init strings, which determine the connection speed, min and max speeds, and X or V protocol to be used.
Most modern modems have a maximum baudrate of 53,300 bits per second (as mandated by the FCC) and use either the V90 or V92 Protocol. Unfortunately, most POTS phone lines are incapable of sustaining that data flow rate, due to telephone device loads, line noise, repeaters or filters, or poor connections inside or outside the building.
If your phone connection is not electronically pristine, your modem cannot reach its advertised potential for throughput. It must be throttled down until there are no more Blers and Resends. At that connection rate, your modem will deliver its best throughput and performance. It may turn out that 33,600 is the best speed for you, without errors. This sounds slower, but turns out to be the hare that wins the race. This is because it is able to smoothly download data streams without any gasps or hiccups.
Read my information at Modems-101 and follow the links, or use the search box for more info about modem init strings, throughput and baud tests. I have my own baudtest page, at www.wizcrafts.net/baudtest.html. Use the smaller loads at first, tweaking settings (disconnecting and reconnecting after each change) as you go. The results page script reveals your baudrate each time you retest.
There are other settings that may be applicable to your computer itself, which can have a profound effect on the modem's usable speed. These include the MaxMtu and its associated parameters. This is mentioned on my Modems 101 page and has a link for more info.
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Cal Sharp
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 3:01 pm
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Ah yes, I remember way back in the last century downloading songs from Usenet with a 14.4 modem. The song came in packets and when they were all downloaded you had to put them together.
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Arthur Manning
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Florida, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 3:24 pm
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Thanks again Wiz, I did open the Modems-101 and printed it and read it. What I should have explain is that, this is what I am using for a modem and it is set to 57600. I have in the past enter a String for the sound for the modem but that is it. I haven't played with modem strings in long time so that would take some research.
Wiz, If I had satellite service (and get off the Phone line) would it speed up the download problem? |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 3:52 pm
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I was on modem dial-up Internet access from 1995 through most of 2003. I finally got ADSL in October 2003, through October 2007. I then had to go back to dial-up for two months, until the end of 2007, when I got broadband access again.
In my years of using dial-up modems I accumulated a considerable amount of knowledge and tricks. It never hurts to have a little knowledge about modem tweaking, just in case you end up needing to use dial-up again.
A person who knows how to tweak their modem and OS to the existing phone lines will usually have less frustration than a person who uses their modem with its default settings.
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Arthur Manning
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 4:43 pm
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| Wiz, thanks for your suggestions. Art M. |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 5:34 pm
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| Arthur Manning wrote: |
Thanks again Wiz, I did open the Modems-101 and printed it and read it. What I should have explain is that, this is what I am using for a modem and it is set to 57600. I have in the past enter a String for the sound for the modem but that is it. I haven't played with modem strings in long time so that would take some research.
Wiz, If I had satellite service (and get off the Phone line) would it speed up the download problem? |
Arthur;
Your modem is NOT set to download or connect at 57,600 bps! That is the baudrate of the input port to which the modem is connected. Dial-up modems are hard wire limited to connect at no higher than 53,300 bps. The configuration strings I am referring to affect the internal electronics in the modem device only; not the input connection (port) it is plugged into.
You will probably find that your modem is set to a default configuration that automatically establishes a handshake at some rate over 49kbps, whether it can maintain that rate or not. After the handshake is accepted by your ISP, the baudrate will move around somewhat as the line conditions vary. But, because the modem was able to make a relatively high rate connection, it will try to maintain that rate, leading to Blers and Resends galore.
Find out the Init codes to limit the handshake connection to say 42,000 bps and see if things speed up on downloads of videos.
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Wiz Feinberg
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 5:38 pm
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Since the modem is connecting to a dial-up ISP, you also need to make sure that the MaxMtu is not set to a large size, such as is used on LAN connections. Find a MaxMtu tool and use it to trim the MTU, RcvWin and other parameters down to what the modem can digest.
Once the Init String baudrate is optimized for your line, and the MTU parameters are set the the best burst settings, your modem will perform much faster than it is now.
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 5:45 pm
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| Wiz, If I had satellite service (and get off the Phone line) would it speed up the download problem? |
Maybe, maybe not. Ask Rudy Osborne about that. He is on Hughes net, if I recall. If the dish is perfectly aimed and the wind hasn't blown it out of alignment, nor has ice or snow built up on it, and there aren't a lot of other members using the service at the same time you are, it will be much faster.
Every satellite Internet user shares the available bandwidth with all other users in his geographical area. Customers who pay more per month are given more of that bandwidth. Basic service level customers are throttled during peak hours, to make more room for the higher rate clients.
I have seen Sat Int data rates move as slow as dial-up. I have also seen them go up to 768kbps during off-peak hours.
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Wiz Feinberg
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Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2011 6:06 pm
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Arthur;
If, when you run the baudrate tests on my website, the results continuously are in a particular small range, below your initial connection speed, the average results speed can be used to throttle down your modem's connection speed.
For instance, if my 50 or 100 kb download results shows that your modem is receiving a steady 39,000 bits over three or four tests, reduce the connect and maximum rate to 39,000. Disconnect, change the Init String accordingly, then reconnect and test again. Between the tests and Init string changes you should get a better connect speed. All that will be left will be to tweak your MaxMtu parameters.
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Arthur Manning
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2011 5:09 pm
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Hi Wiz, I went on your site to test my modem baud rate. This is the results: Top of page "you are getting V34 but not V90 Speed" test 1-28000, test 2- 28800, test 3-28800 and test 4- 28800. I have a US Robotics 56k USB fax modem Model 5635. I haven't found the custom initiation Strings for this modem to try and tweak it. It has been a long time ago that I put a string in a modem but I do remember that the wrong string can mess up a modem.
My original question was about YouTube Videos, I see freeware to download and save videos for YouTube, do thy work? And if so what is a good one to download? (Any one) Thanks, Art M. |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2011 5:26 pm
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| Arthur Manning wrote: |
Hi Wiz, I went on your site to test my modem baud rate. This is the results: Top of page "you are getting V34 but not V90 Speed" test 1-28000, test 2- 28800, test 3-28800 and test 4- 28800. I have a US Robotics 56k USB fax modem Model 5635. I haven't found the custom initiation Strings for this modem to try and tweak it. It has been a long time ago that I put a string in a modem but I do remember that the wrong string can mess up a modem.
My original question was about YouTube Videos, I see freeware to download and save videos for YouTube, do thy work? And if so what is a good one to download? (Any one) Thanks, Art M. |
Try this Init String in your Modem's Advanced Properties (Control Panel > Phone and Modems)
S32=34&U14&N24
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2011 5:45 pm
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Arthur;
You may wish to check out TweakMaster, free for 30 days. If it speeds up you downloads and improves your browsing experience, buy it for the ~$25 they are asking. It appears to have been updated to work on Windows 7, as well as older systems. One month should be long enough to evaluate if it improves your Internet connection and throughput.
Note; the software ships with the Ask (search engine) Toolbar, which you can uninstall after installing TweakMaster (unless you want such a thing).
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Arthur Manning
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2011 6:25 pm
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| Wiz, I tried the string, and then went to go on line and a ERROR 628 came up and it would go to "Working off line". So I deleted it, restart, UN-Check the WOL it connected. I did try S32=34&U21&N26 you had in MODEMS 101 and got the same ERROR 628. Art M. |
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Mitch Drumm
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Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 21 Jan 2011 6:28 pm
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My original question was about YouTube Videos, I see freeware to download and save videos for YouTube, do thy work? And if so what is a good one to download? (Any one) Thanks, Art M. |
Art:
They generally work, but some work better than others. In my experience, they don't work indefinitely. Sooner or later, you will have to change to another downloader or upgrade the one you have. Not sure, but I think this is because Youtube is deliberately fiddling with their website and trying to make downloading difficult.
Downloading and saving through a dialup setup could be an entirely different world--I don't know.
Which you should try depends on your browser.
I use Firefox and I use a Firefox add-on called "Easy Youtube Video Downloader". When I load a Youtube video in Firefox, a link appears on the page offering to download that video. It gives several possible formats in which to save the file. I use mp4 as that seems to be best quality. |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2011 8:09 pm
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| Wiz, I tried the string, and then went to go on line and a ERROR 628 came up and it would go to "Working off line". So I deleted it, restart, UN-Check the WOL it connected. I did try S32=34&U21&N26 you had in MODEMS 101 and got the same ERROR 628. Art M. |
Try adding just this to the default string: &U14&N24
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Arthur Manning
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Florida, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2011 7:03 am
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Mitch, Thanks for your information and I will try FireFox.
WIZ, I bought TweakMaster pro and it is installed. I tweak it 3 time and it appears to be working. I want to thank you for all your help and information on the world of modems. I think that at this time I want to try and find a way to download some of the PSG lessons on YouTube as I am a latecomer and beginner student of PSG and need to spend more time on the guitar with some of instructional videos on YouTube. I do need some information on best way to down load on YouTube. That will help me (at this time) a bunch. Thank You Wiz and Mitch, Art M. |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Posted 22 Jan 2011 7:56 am
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| Arthur Manning wrote: |
Mitch, Thanks for your information and I will try FireFox.
WIZ, I bought TweakMaster pro and it is installed. I tweak it 3 time and it appears to be working. I want to thank you for all your help and information on the world of modems. ... I do need some information on best way to down load on YouTube. That will help me (at this time) a bunch. Thank You Wiz and Mitch, Art M. |
I'm glad to have been able to help you. Let us know your impressions of TweakMaster, over time. Other members are on dial-up and may be having similar problems.
I found TweakMaster while reading up on setting the MTU manually.
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Arthur Manning
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Florida, USA
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Posted 22 Jan 2011 8:14 am
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Wiz, At this time I find the TWEAKMASTER PRO with the meter, just grate. You can tweak it and watch the results from that tweaking and do it again to see if it improves any. Grate program! (Thanks To You) Good job, give yourself a raise$$$. Art M.  |
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Arthur Manning
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2011 3:15 pm Update on video downloads on YouTube
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| I want to thank you all for the help given me on this subject. Wiz and Mitch, Thanks. I used what Mitch Drumm suggested and it has worked. In trying other programs like "EASY YOUTUBE VIDEO DOWNLOADER" and thy were filled with advertisements and did not work. So thanks again, Art M. |
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